[Advaita-l] bhavarupa citations

[Ravi Kiran]

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 11:19 AM, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
wrote:

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> 2017-08-16 9:06 GMT+05:30 Ravi Kiran <ravikiranm108 at gmail.com>:
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>> Namaste
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>> 2017-08-15 23:29 GMT+05:30 V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>:
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>>>
>>> Some of the sentences from Shankara's commentary are:
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>>> तत्त्वाप्रतिबोधरूपेण बीजात्मना, अन्यथाग्रहणलक्षणेन चानादिकालप्रवृत्तेन
>>> मायालक्षणेन     Mandukya kārikā 1.16
>>>
>>> तामसो हि प्रत्ययः, आवरणात्मकत्वात् अविद्या विपरीतग्राहकः, संशयोपस्थापको
>>> वा,
>>> अग्रहणात्मको वा ;   Bh.Gita 13.2
>>>
>>> There are many others:
>>> https://adbhutam.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/bhaavaroopa-ajnanaavidya/
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>> Since ajnAna/avidyA/mAya is only kalpitam (imagined), avastu, not an
>> entity by itself ( distinct, separate or different from Atman/Brahman),
>> what does it substantiate/signify when termed as bhaava roopa or some other
>> term ?
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> The need to term it 'bhaava rupa' arises from the fact that ajnana as a
> cause, if admitted as an abhaava, non-existence, cannot be held to bring
> about the effect of samsara. Hence an existent causal ajnana is required,
> although mithya ultimately, to account for the effect. The Mandukya teaches
> three levels: causal or beeja, and subtle (dream) and gross (waking). That
> is why deep sleep is associated with ajnana. All three are within the
> relative and Turiya the nirgunam alone transcends these.
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Yes, since ajnAna is not removed after deep sleep ( sat sampatti )
experience (lion wakes up as lion etc), it is accepted that ajnana is
present in sushupti  .. is this causal ajnana ( beeja or avidyA shakti)
differentiated from the waking/dream ajnana, in any way ?

If so, how and where, they differ?

Through samyak (Turiya) jnAna arising in waking through sruti shravana, is
it considered, all variants (if considered so) of ajnana ( beeja or the
ajnana in waking/dream) are sublated/destroyed completely and not needing
any other practice to destroy the causal ajnana separately?

Thanks


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>> Its role is in explaining the sRsTi kArya kAraNa sambavam clearly or
>> something more ?
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>> Thanks
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