[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** All the three states are dream alone

[Jay Kumar]

Namaste Ryan 
Yes, There is no moment when you are not awake. It is only the ‘believing’ mind that sleeps and come out of sleep!

Also your leader’s reply shows dwelling in Gita second chapter principles at dawn reveals such subtle facts!

Regards,
 Jayakumar

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Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** All the three states are dream alone

Namaste Jayakumar

I am not sure if I can answer the question you pose directly, "

*can we (who are in spiritual pursuit )  justify of giving a bit more importance to the waking state*"

However, an incident comes to mind which may be pertinent to this discussion.
About 20 years ago, the local leader of the School to which I belong started what he called "The Measure Group".
Quite simply, we would meet in the School House at 5:00 in the morning to practise meditation and also to study the Bhagavad GItA.
At around this time we had been introduced to a discipline which was stated as "When you wake up, get up"

So one particular morning, waking had occurred at around 3:00am and the body was swiftly removed from the bed.
Before leaving to attend the group, ablutions were performed and study of the scriptures undertaken.
At the group, this was related to the leader, with the words:
"This morning, I woke up so cleanly and became fully awake immediately.
I did not even need the alarm clock."
The answer he gave was:
"Well there's the problem"
Not being the expected response, this experience was related again: "But I got up when I woke up"

To which he replied:
"The problem is that you believe that you woke up"

Yours in Truth
Ryan

On 24 August 2017 at 17:39, Jay Kumar via Advaita-l < advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste to all.
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> Though waking state is also equivalent to dream in the sense the the 
> jeeva is ignorant of the Self and the jeeva is perceiving the 
> non-existance, can we (who are in spiritual pursuit )  justify of 
> giving a bit more importance to the waking state because of the following reasons :
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> 1.       Let alone ignorant ones, even wise people give more importance to
> waking state and re-collect, share and talk about waking state 
> experiences more than dreams and sleep.
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> 2.       Wisdom or Self knowledge takes place only during waking state.
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> 3.       In the vyavakarika time-scale, waking state is longer than sleep
> and dream states
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> 4.       Only in waking state we vaguely remember dreams and recollect
> about
> sleep and dream experiences.
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> 5.       Variety with Continuity like experience appears only in waking
> state .
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>  Therefore, doesn't waking states enjoys an edge in importance more 
> than the other two statesin 'vyavakarika' plane of reality?
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> Regards,
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> Jayakumar
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