[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: Re: shankara speaking on behalf of or speaking to ??

[Ravi Kiran]

2017-12-13 8:44 GMT+05:30 V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>:

> In my opinion, the experience of prarabdha is karyanumeya: only after it
> has been experienced one will infer that it is due to prarabdha karma.
> avashyam anubhoktavyam krtam karma shubhaashubham is the rule. A person may
> practice and gain the ability to be in nirvikalpa samadhi. But that is not
> a permanent possibility. If prarabdha is strong, it will end the samadhi
> and give its effect.
>

Yes, agreed.. it is verily on the relative strengths, where one can
overpower other..

It can also be said that his ability to be in samadhi is also prarabdha.
>

Thanks

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> 2017-12-13 8:07 GMT+05:30 Ravi Kiran via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>:
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>> Namaste Sri Chandramouli Ji,
>>
>> From your below replies,
>>
>> > The jnani may
>> > either “experience” it or allow it to just “happen” without “experience”
>> of
>> > the prarabdha karma phala at his will.
>>
>> > ..the jnani does have
>> > control or choice over “experience” of the same as explained above.
>>
>> >..“being
>> >continuously established in Atmaikatva vidyA (jnana) “.
>>
>>
>> Are you saying that, prarabdha karma fala just “happens” without
>> “experience”, from this
>> being continuously established in jnAna, standpoint ???
>>
>> As otherwise, prarabdha karma phala is experienced by Jivan-mukta, as  Sri
>> Shankara Bhagavatpada says it clearly in his BSB 4.1.19
>>
>>
>> इतरक्षपणाधिकरणम्।।4.1.19।।
>>
>> अनारब्धकार्ययोः पुण्यपापयोर्विद्यासामर्थ्यात्क्षय उक्तः। इतरे तु
>> आरब्धकार्ये *पुण्यपापे उपभोगेन* क्षपयित्वा ब्रह्म संपद्यते तस्य तावदेव
>> चिरं
>> यावन्न विमोक्ष्येऽथ संपत्स्ये इति ब्रह्मैव सन्ब्रह्माप्येति इति च
>> एवमादिश्रुतिभ्यः। ननु सत्यपि सम्यग्दर्शने यथा प्राग्देहपाताद्भेददर्शनं
>> द्विचन्द्रदर्शनन्यायेनानुवृत्तम् एवं पश्चादप्युनुवर्तेत न निमित्ताभवात्।*
>> उपभोगशेषक्षपणं* हि तत्रानुवृत्तिनिमित्तम् न च तादृशमत्र किंचिदस्ति। ननु
>> अपरः कर्माशयोऽभिनवमुपभोगमारप्स्यते न तस्य दग्धबीजत्वात्
>> मिथ्याज्ञानावष्टम्भं हि कर्मान्तरं देहपात
>> उपभोगान्तरमारभेत तच्च मिथ्याज्ञानं सम्यग्ज्ञानेन दग्धम् इत्यतः साध्वेतत्
>> आरब्धकार्यक्षये विदुषः कैवल्यमवश्यं भवतीति।।
>>
>> This Sutra  says that the Prârabdha works are destroyed through fruition,
>> and though till then the knower of Brahman has to be in the relative world
>> as a Jivan-mukta, yet when these are exhausted by being worked out, he
>> attains oneness with Brahman at death. He no longer sees any diversity,
>> owing to the absence of any cause like the Prârabdha, and since all works
>> including the Prârabdha are destroyed at death, he attains oneness with
>> Brahman. [trans by Swami Vireswarananda]
>>
>> Thanks
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