[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: shankara speaking on behalf of or speaking to ??

Ravi Kiran ravikiranm108 at gmail.com
Wed Dec 13 02:02:07 EST 2017

Namaste Sri Chandramouli Ji

Yes, there are 2 portions in your statement, as I understood .. The first
portion (A) does not contradict while the other (B) needs clarification.

Clarification is regarding the portion after the "*or*" in the below

> either “experience” it (A) *or *allow it to just “happen” without
“experience” of
> the prarabdha karma phala at his will. (B)

In such a case (B - just “happen” without “experience”), whether such a
jnAni is knowing or knows(aware of) the happening of prarabdha karma phala ?

what exactly you meant by " just happens without experience" ?

For example: you may take a case of severe head-splitting headache as prarabdha
karma phala

If such a one is not knowing ( is what you meant by without experience of
the happening) the prarabdha karma phala while it occurs, is it
due to the continuous atmaikatva jnAna vRtti's taking place ( based on his
will ) without mind entering into nirvikalpa samAdhi state ?


2017-12-13 11:07 GMT+05:30 H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>:

> Namaste Sri Ravi Ji,
> What I have said does not contradict what you have quoted BSB 4-1-19.
> "fruition" or "experienced" being understood as "happening". In the case of
> a Jivanmukta, "experience" of prarabdha is the same as "happening" of
> prarabdha
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> 2017-12-13 8:07 GMT+05:30 Ravi Kiran <ravikiranm108 at gmail.com>:
>> Namaste Sri Chandramouli Ji,
>> From your below replies,
>> > The jnani may
>> > either “experience” it or allow it to just “happen” without
>> “experience” of
>> > the prarabdha karma phala at his will.
>> > ..the jnani does have
>> > control or choice over “experience” of the same as explained above.
>> >..“being
>> >continuously established in Atmaikatva vidyA (jnana) “.
>> Are you saying that, prarabdha karma fala just “happens” without
>> “experience”, from this
>> being continuously established in jnAna, standpoint ???
>> As otherwise, prarabdha karma phala is experienced by Jivan-mukta, as
>> Sri Shankara Bhagavatpada says it clearly in his BSB 4.1.19
>> इतरक्षपणाधिकरणम्।।4.1.19।।
>> अनारब्धकार्ययोः पुण्यपापयोर्विद्यासामर्थ्यात्क्षय उक्तः। इतरे तु
>> आरब्धकार्ये *पुण्यपापे उपभोगेन* क्षपयित्वा ब्रह्म संपद्यते तस्य तावदेव
>> चिरं यावन्न विमोक्ष्येऽथ संपत्स्ये इति ब्रह्मैव सन्ब्रह्माप्येति इति च
>> एवमादिश्रुतिभ्यः। ननु सत्यपि सम्यग्दर्शने यथा प्राग्देहपाताद्भेददर्शनं
>> द्विचन्द्रदर्शनन्यायेनानुवृत्तम् एवं पश्चादप्युनुवर्तेत न निमित्ताभवात्।*
>> उपभोगशेषक्षपणं* हि तत्रानुवृत्तिनिमित्तम् न च तादृशमत्र किंचिदस्ति। ननु
>> अपरः कर्माशयोऽभिनवमुपभोगमारप्स्यते न तस्य दग्धबीजत्वात्
>> मिथ्याज्ञानावष्टम्भं हि कर्मान्तरं देहपात
>> उपभोगान्तरमारभेत तच्च मिथ्याज्ञानं सम्यग्ज्ञानेन दग्धम् इत्यतः साध्वेतत्
>> आरब्धकार्यक्षये विदुषः कैवल्यमवश्यं भवतीति।।
>> This Sutra  says that the Prârabdha works are destroyed through fruition,
>> and though till then the knower of Brahman has to be in the relative world
>> as a Jivan-mukta, yet when these are exhausted by being worked out, he
>> attains oneness with Brahman at death. He no longer sees any diversity,
>> owing to the absence of any cause like the Prârabdha, and since all works
>> including the Prârabdha are destroyed at death, he attains oneness with
>> Brahman. [trans by Swami Vireswarananda]
>> Thanks

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