[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: Re: shankara speaking on behalf of or speaking to ??

[V Subrahmanian]

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 1:20 PM, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
wrote:

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> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 1:11 PM, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
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>> 2017-12-13 11:14 GMT+05:30 H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>:
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>>> Reg  << A person may practice and gain the ability to be in nirvikalpa
>>> samadhi. But that is not a permanent possibility. If prarabdha is strong,
>>> it will end the samadhi and give its effect. >>,
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>>>  this nirvikalpa samadhi is the result of effort. prarabdha could end
>>> it. In the case of nirvikalpa samadhi (being
>>> continuously established in Atmaikatva vidyA (jnana) ) of a jnani, it
>>> is not through effort. It is through jnana. prarabdha cannot end it.
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>> This is not disputed. But prarabdha bhoga is there for the Jnani as well.
>> That is the view of Advaitins.  The fall of this jnani's physical body
>> alone will end the prarabdha bhoga.
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>> ​Yes. Nor am I disputing it. But in my understanding, such "bhoga" in
>> respect of jnanis includes ​"happening" without being "aware" of the same.
>> Such is the case in respect of Jivanmuktas.
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This position is not logical, for the very purpose of prarabdha bhoga is to
give suffering or other to the person. Unless it is experienced by that
person as pain or pleasure, it is of no use in terming it a bhoga. Ramana
had both kinds of experiences in abundance. Shankara asks in BSB: katham hi
ekasya brahmabhvam, dehadhaaraam cha aparena pratiksheptum shakyam?  How
can anyone dispute the fact of a person having the realization of Brahman
and simultaneously holding the body?   By this, the jnani is definitely
aware of his having a body (see also nava dvaare purey dehi of the BG 5th
ch.). Naturally, the bhoga which is meant to affect the body-mind complex
is experienced / cognized by him.  That his viveka is so strong that he
knows that 'gunaa guneshu vartanta iti' [it is at the body organs mind
level and not affecting the atman] is admitted.

vs

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