[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: Re: Re: shankara speaking on behalf of or speaking to ??

V Subrahmanian v.subrahmanian at gmail.com
Thu Dec 14 02:57:49 EST 2017

Shankara's Manīṣā pañchakam third stanza says that 'the jivanmukta has
submitted his body-apparatus to prārabdha':


shashvannashvarameva vishvam akhilam nishcitya vAcA guroH nityam brahma
nirantaram vimRishatA nirvyAjashantAtmanA |

bhUtam bhAvi ca duShkRitam pradahatA samvinmaye pAvake *prArabdhAya
samarpitam svavapurityeShA manIShA mama ||3 3.*

 Having come to the definite conclusion, under the instruction of his Guru,
that the entire universe is always perishable, he who, with a calm and pure
mind constantly meditates on Brahman, and who has burnt his past and future
sins in the fire of knowledge, submits his present body to the operation of
his prArabdha karma. This is my conviction. Note. Karma, in the sense of
results of actions performed, is divided into three categories . (1)
sanchita karma—the accumulated results of actions performed in past births,
(2) prArabdha karma-- those results of past actions which have given rise
to the present body and (3) AgAmi karma— the results of actions performed
in the present birth. On the dawn of Self-knowledge the first category is
completely destroyed along with the third category acquired up to the time
of attainment of knowledge. After the dawn of Self-knowledge any action
performed does not produce any result in the form of merit or demerit. The
second category, prArabdha karma, is not destroyed on the attainment of
Self-knowledge, but has to be exhausted only by being actually experienced.
On the exhaustion of this category of karma the body of the enlightened
person falls and the jIvanmukta becomes a videhamukta. This is brought out
in the above shloka by the statement that the enlightened person merely
submits his body to the operation of prArabdha karma.


On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>

> Namaste
> What about Apantaratamas like Vyasa and so on. They are Jeevanmuktas doing
> some work for God. BSB has explained this. They may take births for doing
> work of God. Then we cannot say they are not experiencing anything.
> Sometimes they may get married and have children also. All this without
> experiencing anything is not possible. But even though they are
> experiencing the Phala they know it is not real. That is the difference. It
> is like you are in a dream and you also know it is a dream.
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 2:46 PM, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 1:37 PM, H S Chandramouli <
>> hschandramouli at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 1:30 PM, V Subrahmanian <
>> v.subrahmanian at gmail.com
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> << Unless it is experienced by that person as pain or pleasure, it is
>> of
>> >> no use in terming it a bhoga. Ramana had both kinds of experiences in
>> >> abundance. >>,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Did Sri Ramana Maharshi experience pain or pleasure ?? I do not think
>> so.
>> >>
>> >
>> http://stuartperrin.com/about-ramana-maharshi/
>> //*For the last 2 years of his life the Maharshi suffered from cancer and
>> experienced great physical pain, but even towards the end he maintained
>> the
>> same tranquil poise and self-same radiant smile*. When he was suffering
>> from cancer in the arm a disciple ran away crying because he could not
>> bear
>> to see his master in pain. Ramana only smiled and spoke to a disciple
>> nearby. “Duraswami is crying because he thinks I am suffering agonies! My
>> body is suffering but I am not suffering. When will he realise that I am
>> not this body?” [3] <http://stuartperrin.com/about-ramana-maharshi/#ref
>> >//
>> http://sri-ramana-maharshi.blogspot.in/2008/05/interview-wit
>> h-sadhu-om.html
>> //*Question:* Please tell us about Bhagavan’s forbearance of suffering
>> during his cancer operations.
>> *Sadhu **Om**:* Even at the time of his fourth operation, which was a very
>> major one, Bhagavan refused to be given chloroform. The operation took a
>> long time, and because of the profuse bleeding, it was very difficult for
>> the doctors to dress the wound. Towards the end of the operation Bhagavan
>> was talking to someone when the doctors informed him that the operation
>> was
>> over.
>> ‘What! Is it over?’ asked Bhagavan.
>> Someone then asked, ‘Bhagavan, did you not feel any pain?’
>> Bhagavan replied, ‘Yes, there was pain, like a hundred chillies being
>> ground in the wound, but even that pain is not apart from me.’//
>> [Sadhu Om was a venerable seeker who spent a very long time with
>> Bhagavan.]
>> I have heard this said by others also.
>> regards
>> >>
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