[Advaita-l] Vsheshana and Lakshana

[Venkatraghavan S]

This is not a problem for advaita, because we are satkAryavAdis. We do not
say that destruction is to a zero. Even after a pot breaks, it continues
existing in its subtle kAraNAvastha, ie it continues to exist in its
material cause. Thus the destruction of pot cannot be cited as something
which has no end.
Regards,
Venkatraghavan


On 17 Dec 2017 8:41 a.m., "Rajesh Benjwal via Advaita-l" <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> My point is
> ​we​
> cannot
> ​ ​
> just
> say anantam is lakshana of  brahma. As there is ativyApti dosha as
> ध्वंसाभाव is also अनन्तम्. So you must add some other conditions or
> qualifications.
> ​ ​
> So either you add bhAvrupam or sat or .............It is necessary to
> remove ativyApti dosham.
>
> Same way we cannot say anaadi is lakshna because there is again ativyApti
> dosha. So a combination is required.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 4:19 PM, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Rajesh Benjwal via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> >> ​​​​
> >> Namaste,
> >>
> >> *Similarly satyam jnanam anantam anandam are lakshanas of Brahman.
> Brahman
> >> alone can have these, nothing else in creation.  *
> >>
> >> We do not usually say that no one in the creation can have any of these
> >> lakshaNaH because when there is a set of qualifications than one of them
> >> may have ativyApti.  So to keep in mind the ativyApti we have to add one
> >> or
> >> more set of qualifications and call them lakshaNa. Like if we only say
> >> anantam is lakshaNa of brahma then there will be ativyApti doshaH as
> >> ध्वंसाभाव is also अनन्तम्.
> >
> >
> > We take anantam to be 'trividha pariccheda (desha, kaala, vastu)
> > rahitam'.  So, kaalapariccheda is also not there. This takes care of
> > aaditva raahitya and antatva raahitya.
> >
> > regards
> > subbu
> >
> >
> > So to अतिव्याप्ति: परिहार्थाय we have to add few
> >> more qualifications. So we add सद् also, now the combination of the both
> >> does the परिहार of अतिव्याप्ति as ध्वंसाभाव is not anAdi.
> >>
> >> So lakshaNa must be free from dushtA, asambhava, and ativyApti dosha. So
> >> we
> >> have to combine few qualifications and make them lakshaNa.
> >>
> >> My two cents.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:16 PM, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
> >> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Visheshana: adjective: blue, big, fragrant lily. In this example, the
> >> > blueness helps to distinguish 'this' lily from a red, etc. lily. The
> >> > bigness helps to distinguish this lily from small, baby lilies.
> >> Fragrance
> >> > helps distinguish this lily from those lilies that are devoid of
> >> fragrance.
> >> > This is a case of visheshana that distinuishes a thing from all other
> >> > members of the same class: lily.
> >> >
> >> > On the other hand, a lakshana is that which helps distinguish an
> object
> >> > from every thing that is not that object.  Example: akasha is given
> the
> >> > lakshana 'avakasha  pradaatrtva - the one that accommodates (all other
> >> > things).  Now, this trait is unique to akasha.  nothing else in
> creation
> >> > has this.  When we say a house can accommodate people and things, it
> is
> >> the
> >> > space there that accommodates.
> >> >
> >> > Similarly satyam jnanam anantam anandam are lakshanas of Brahman.
> >> Brahman
> >> > alone can have these, nothing else in creation.  Satyam is that which
> >> does
> >> > not go out of existence.  all that is created will go out of
> existence.
> >> > Jnanam is pure objectless consciousness.  every other jnanam in
> >> creation is
> >> > janya jnana like 'pot knowledge, cloth knowledge' It happens through a
> >> > vrtti. Brahman svarupa jnanam is not a vritti dependent one.  Ananta
> is
> >> > infinite in space, time and object.  everything in creation is limited
> >> by
> >> > space, time and object.  Thus alone the advaita Vedantin holds that
> >> satyam,
> >> > jnanam anantam are the svarupa of Brahman.  Brahman is satyam, brahman
> >> is
> >> > jnanam....Brahman can't be other than, without satyam.  just like
> there
> >> can
> >> > be no fire sans heat/light.
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> >> --
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> >> Rajesh Benjwal
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