[Advaita-l] Dashavataras as per Harivamsha

[Kripa Shankar]

Sunil, 

Like I have been repeating myself, we cannot refer to Buddhist documents as they are highly unreliable. More over, there is no such mention of Buddha 0.1 (let alone claims of Ikshwaku lineage) in any of the Puranas, MB, Raghuvamsha or rajatarangini. This view that Buddha was an avatar is only limited to the Vaishnava cult. Further, there are many who don't subscribe to this view. Barring all this, we have clear evidence in Harivamsha regarding the list of avatAras. 

Neither Shankara nor Gaudapada nor anyone in the Vedantic school acknowledged Buddha 0.1 (as prof ‎of Upanishads). They simply reject the view in one line. So should we rely on inference based on clear evidence or some fairy tales imagined by the heretics. 

As you too seem to think that colonial historians distorted the facts, we cannot accept one thing and reject another. We can be sure of the facts only when everyone accepts the same source of texts to be proof. We can't rely on cult scriptures or documents filled with glaring mistakes /lies to decide the historical  account for everyone. ‎
‎
You said : ‎Buddha means Jnani and Buddhists believe that there were many jnanis before Lord Buddha. ‎

Do they also believe that Buddha was originally a Vaidik? Or the very followers of Buddha including his very own chelas are deluded due to some strange reason? Do you also think that they are demons,  because according to the Vaishnava view which you are upholding, Buddha took his birth to delude the demons :D ‎

I too read some where that sai baba was an avatar of Dattatreya. I also read some where that there is someone named kalki who claims himself to be an incarnation of Vishnu. Both of them are money swindlers, however. Radhakrishnan was a politician and not a scholar. Otherwise, we will have to start accepting Nehru as an authority on these matters. 

Regards 
Kripa ‎
‎
Vyasaya Vishnu roopaya Vyasa roopaya Vishnave 
Namo vai Brahma nidhaye Vasishtaya namo namaha 
  Original Message  
From: Sunil Bhattacharjya
Sent: Sunday 8 January 2017 12:35 AM
To: Sunil Bhattacharjya; V Subrahmanian; A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta; Kripa Shankar
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Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Dashavataras as per Harivamsha

Dear Kripa,

Lord Buddha was Hindu and he died a Hindu. He never said that he was promulgating a new dharma. He said that he was from the Ikshaku vamsha and that is confirmed by the Pauranic chronology.  In the Jataka stories (giving his previous births)  he said that he was Lord Rama in one of his earlier births. Pauranic chronology shows that Lord Rama was also from the Ikshaku vamsha. Hindus do believe that the ancestors do take rebirth in their lineage. 

Lord Buddha was never against the Veda.  When he saw that a very large number of animals being taken for yajna, he advised the king Bimbisara  to continue his yajna, but without animal sacrifice, and did not ask the king not to perform the yajna. Nowhere in Veda it is said that a large number of animals have to be sacrificed. That may be the reason why Bhishma said in the Mahabharata that animal sacrifice was promoted by the hypocrites (in order to satiate their great desire for eating meat).

Lord Buddha asked the brahmins of his time, as to what the Vedas say regarding the way to cross the cycle of birth and death, but they said that Vedas have not said any such thing. Obviously the Vedic scholars ignored the Upanishadic teachings ( which are the essence of the Veda). Lord Buddha asked the brahmins to concentrate on the essence of the Vedas. 

The colonial historians wanted to prove the pauranic chronology to be fake and they tried to show that Lord Mahavira was born before Lord Buddha, by reducing the antiquity of Lord Buddha.  The colonial historians were wrong as Lord Buddha  was born thirteen hundred (1300) years before Lord Mahavira.  Lord Mahavira too learned the Sankhya and Yoga, but he did not go to the advayavada like Lord Buddha did. 

Buddha means Jnani and Buddhists believe that there were many jnanis before Lord Buddha. 
‎
Sometime ago, I read one verse (quoted from a Dashavatara stora) in a book on the date of AdiShankara and it was written by one Kulkarni. That verse says that Lord Buddha was an avatara of Lord Vishnu. Some puranas (called as the fifth veda by two of the major upanishads) too say that Lord Buddha was an avatara of Lord Vshnu. Late President Dr. Sarvapalli Radhakrishnan said that Lord Buddha was a great reformer of Hinduism, I agree with Dr. Radhakrishnanand and I shall also say that  Adi Shankara too was a great reformer of Hinduism. 

Regards,
Sunil KB 



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On Sat, 1/7/17, Kripa Shankar <kripa.shankar.0294 at gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Dashavataras as per Harivamsha
To: "Sunil Bhattacharjya" <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>, "V Subrahmanian" <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>, "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>, "Sunil Bhattacharjya" <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, January 7, 2017, 4:15 AM

Namaste Sunil, 

Like I mentioned before, there
are a lot of historical lies in the Buddhists history and
the same was exploited by the indologists. For eg, Ashoka
persecutes all the jain monks in his kingdom just because
someone painted a picture depicting Buddha falling at the
feet of a shramana. But we regard him as the great king. As
a matter of fact, Mahavira is a more illustrious character
and preached the same non-violence much before Buddha 0.1
was even born. So why is he not a Vishnu  avatar? Are we so
gullible to think that Buddha preached something new that we
didn't already know. 

If Buddha 0.1 was a well wisher of people and
hence out of compassion, corrected the wrong views held by
the Vaidiks, he should have first accepted the validity of
Vedas. But there is no such evidence either in truth or
fiction. 

Whether there
were 2 or 20 Buddhas, whether he preached the same
philosophy or not, the fundamental question is, did he
accept the validity of the Vedas? Can you come up with
something to prove that? I guess not. Hence it is a nAstika
school. This is the difference between Shankara and Buddha,
like day and night. ‎So calling adi Shankara a prachanna
baudha is limited to a cult like Vaishnavas. 

If we contrast with the truth,
according to which Veda Vyasa is the actual avatar of
Vishnu, think of everything that he accomplished. The
progenitor of both kauravas and pandavas, the author of
sharirika sutras, the compiler of Vedas, the author of all
Puranas, the Brahmarshi of incomparable intelligence. 

No one ever has heard of
dashavatara stotra composed by Adi Shankaracharya. So
sparing kindergarten children,  no one else  will buy this
mere statement.  

Regards 
Kripa 

Vyasaya Vishnu roopaya Vyasa roopaya Vishnave 
Namo vai Brahma nidhaye Vasishtaya namo namaha 
  Original Message  
From:
Sunil Bhattacharjya
Sent: Saturday 7 January
2017 6:40 AM
To: V Subrahmanian; A
discussion group for Advaita Vedanta; Kripa Shankar; Sunil
Bhattacharjya
Reply To: Sunil
Bhattacharjya
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l]
Dashavataras as per Harivamsha

Dear friends,

Sorry, a part of the text got deleted by
mistake. I am giving that below:

Saying Adi Shankara to be Prachanna Buddha is
not wrong, provided the speaker understands what Lord Buddha
really taught. Adi Shankara taught us that the Jivanmukta
leaves the body (including all the five koshas) and becomes
Videhamukta, and that is the state of realizing oneness with
the Brahman. Lord Buddha taught that the Bodhisattva
Sariputra saw that the skandhas (koshas) were empty, i.e,,
he left the five skandhas or koshas. Lord Buddha did not use
the word “Brahman” here, but not that Lord Buddha did
not know the word Brahman. Lord Buddha did use the word
“Brahman” in Buddhist sutra. Buddha did not believe in
the plurality of souls and he differed from his Sankhya guru
on this. He did not believe in duality and he differed from
his yoga guru also. Lord Budhha believed only in the
Advayavada, which is the same as the advaitavada. 

In Adi Shankara's time the
Mahayana buddhists did not understand what Lord Buddha
taught at the highest level, and that happened because of
lapse of thirteen (13) centuries from the time of Lord
Buddha to the time of Adi Shankara. Nagarjuna, who lived
about eight (*) centuries before Adi Shankara told that
Shunyata is not “non-existence”, but that also did not
have any effect in Adi Shankara's time and the Mahayana
buddhists were teaching nihilism in Adi Shankara's time.
That is why Adi Shankara had not only to oppose the
Sarvastivadins and the Vijnanavadins, he had also to oppose
the Mahayana buddhists. 

Adi Shankara is said to have composed the
Dashavataara stotra, where he included Lord Buddha as the
ninth avatara of Lord Vishnu. If any member has tseen hat
stotra, may I request him to share that infornation with us.


Regards
Sunil K. Bhaattacharjya


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On Fri, 1/6/17, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
wrote:

Subject: Re:
[Advaita-l] Dashavataras as per Harivamsha
To: "V Subrahmanian" <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>,
"A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>,
"Kripa Shankar" <kripa.shankar.0294 at gmail.com>
Date: Friday, January 6, 2017, 4:29 PM

∞ {\displaystyle \infty } 

Mathematicians are familiar with ∞, the
symbol of
infinity. Thus mathematically
speaking 
1/∞ (infinity) = 0 (Zero or
Shunya)

Regards,
Sunil K.Bhattacharjya




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On Fri, 1/6/17, Kripa Shankar via Advaita-l
<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
wrote:

Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Dashavataras as per
Harivamsha
To: "V Subrahmanian"
<v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>,
"A discussion group for Advaita
Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Friday, January 6, 2017, 1:10 PM

As you can observe he
relies heavily on some obscure Vaishnava
authors /books
and
Buddhist
works which are sheer fantasies. If we are to
take
this guy seriously, we
will have to accept Shankara as
prachanna
baudha which is again a monumental lie. 

Regards ‎
Kripa ‎

Vyasaya Vishnu roopaya Vyasa roopaya Vishnave 
Namo vai Brahma nidhaye Vasishtaya namo namaha 
  Original Message  
From:
Kripa Shankar
Sent: Saturday 7
January 2017
2:12 AM
To: V
Subrahmanian; A discussion
group for Advaita
Vedanta
Subject: Re:
[Advaita-l] Dashavataras as per Harivamsha

That does not make any
difference at all. It is clearly established in
the
shastras
/ Puranas that
animals sacrificed in yajnas attain higher
worlds. There is an instance in Matsya Purana
about this
topic. I can give reference if
needed. This Ahimsa as
meant
by this pundit and by Buddha, whether I or I I,
is
completely against the vedic view as
mentioned previously.
So apparently Vishnu
has got the fundamentals wrong.
 Further,
animals were being sacrificed from times
immemorial. How did it suddenly become hinsa?
The same
yajnas involving animal sacrifices
were practised by the
Pandavas as advised by
none other than Krishna, another
avatara. 
‎
‎Secondly
the Madhvas do not
have credibility as they have
perpetuated
a series of lies. A guru/shiva nindaka is
considered a
great
saint by
them, so should we have comparisons with them. So
it's immaterial what they believe when we
have first
hand evidence from Vyasa! 

You will have to inevitably
view it from a more
socio-political angle.
It is similar to some reformer
banning an
already dead practise such as Sati. More over,
we
do not know much about this
pundit nor the sources from
which he is
quoting. Above all, none of it makes any
difference as we have clear evidence to the
contrary. 

Regards 
Kripa ‎
‎
Vyasaya Vishnu roopaya Vyasa roopaya Vishnave 
Namo vai Brahma nidhaye Vasishtaya namo namaha 
  Original Message  
From:
V
Subrahmanian
Sent:
Saturday 7 January 2017
1:35 AM
To: Kripa Shankar; A discussion
group for Advaita Vedanta
Subject: Re:
[Advaita-l]
Dashavataras as per Harivamsha


On Jan 7,
2017
1:18 AM, "Kripa Shankar" <kripa.shankar.0294 at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Namaste
Subramanian, 
>
> To
my
knowledge, there is no mention of Buddha at all in the
Mahabharata. 
>
>
Almost in every chapter of
the Mahabharata, the Vedic
yajnas
are given utmost importance as can be seen in
the Gita as
well. Further, the definition of
Ahimsa is starkly
different
in the Vedas /MB. For eg, harsh speech is also
considered
as
himsa as per
Shastras. So Vishnu getting up from yoga
nidra
and donning an avatara to
oppose everything that is held
sacred in the
Vedas is just not sane. 
>

Here
there is
a proposal for two Buddhas:

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/were_there_two_buddhas.htm

Madhvas believe in Buddha
avatars.

Regards
vs

> 
> t


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