[Advaita-l] Shaivism and Vedic Hinduism

[Sunil Bhattacharjya]

I understand that there is a pauranic story that Lord Brahma requested Lord Shiva also to create and he created the Ekadasha Rudras. As the creations of Lord Shiva are amar, Lord Brahma requested Lord Shive to create no more. May be some of the list members may know the details as to which purana has this story etc.

Regards,
Sunil KB


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On Sat, 1/7/17, Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Shaivism and Vedic Hinduism
 To: "Santosh Rao" <itswhateva at gmail.com>
 Cc: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
 Date: Saturday, January 7, 2017, 6:40 PM
 
 Namaste
 
 There is Namaha Sivaaya mantra
 in the middle of Rudram. Saying Siva is
 different and Rudra is different is like saying
 Vishnu is different
 and Krishna is
 different. In Vedas only Vishnu is mentioned but not
 Krishna. Then we should not worship Krishna?
 This is not correct.
 Vishnu and Krishna are
 the same.  Similarly Siva and Rudra are the
 same.
 
 On Sat,
 Jan 7, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Santosh Rao <itswhateva at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 > I think it is because there is
 no mention of "Shiva" in vedas in relation to
 > how he is currently viewed. "Rudra
 worship" would be the brahminical
 >
 counterpart, I guess.
 >
 > I've never heard that vaishnavas are
 not considered brahmins, any more info
 >
 on that?
 >
 > In
 Vedanta, the three pillars are Brahma Sutras, Upanishads,
 and Bhagavad
 > Gita, but do the present
 day Shaiva sects esteem these in the same way
 > Vaishnavas or Smartas do? Why would a
 Shaiva give Bhagavad Gita any
 >
 importance?
 >
 >
 Namaskara,
 >
 >
 Santosh
 >
 > On Thu,
 Jan 5, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>
 > wrote:
 >>
 >> Namaste
 >>
 >> How is it possible to say Shaivism is
 different from Brahminical
 >> religion
 when Satarudriya is from Vedas only? It is a useless
 >> argument.
 >>
 >> As a matter of fact in Gujarat and
 other places Vaishnavas are not
 >>
 considered Brahmins. Only Shiva worshippers are Brahmins.
 Well known
 >> fact is Brahmins must
 worship Siva and Kshatriyas Vishnu. Vaishyas are
 >> Devi Upasakas and Sudras have to
 worship Ganesha.
 >>
 >> In Pooja and other matters Vaidika and
 Agama methods are combined.
 >> This is
 the way it is today. Nobody in Brahmin tradition is doing
 pure
 >> 100% Vaidika or 100% Agama
 worship. Non Brahmins must not do Vaidika
 >> worship but always Agama or Puranokta
 worship only. Ladies also can do
 >>
 Puranokta worship with Pauranika Mantras. They should not
 say Gayatri
 >> Mantras and Vedic
 Mantras like some ladies are doing. It is wrong.
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> On Wed, Jan
 4, 2017 at 11:09 PM, Santosh Rao via Advaita-l
 >> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
 wrote:
 >> > Namaskara,
 >> >
 >> > Is
 there a difference between "vaidika dharma" and
 the Shaiva sects?
 >> >
 >> > From some reading it seems the
 prevalent academic opinion is that
 >>
 > Shaivism
 >> > and Shiva
 worship in general was largely separate from the
 Brahminical
 >> > religion for a
 large period of history before some coalescing between
 >> > the
 >> >
 two occurred. Also, while Vaishnavism seems to be heavily
 tied into this
 >> >
 "Brahmanism," Shaivism seems to be less so. Is
 there a reason for this,
 >> > or
 >> > is there a discrepancy between
 tradition and the academic view?
 >>
 >
 >> > Also, how does the Smarta
 tradition view the Shaiva agamas? Are they
 >> > accepted as authoritative at all?
 Is there a general view of Shaivas
 >>
 > regarding Vedas and Upanishads, Puranas, etc; or does
 it vary from sect
 >> > to
 >> > sect? Are there any Shaiva sects
 that could correctly be labelled as
 >>
 > "non-vedic?"
 >> >
 >> > Thanks,
 >>
 >
 >> > Santosh
 >> >
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 >> --
 >> Regards
 >>
 >> -Venkatesh
 >
 >
 
 
 
 -- 
 Regards
 
 -Venkatesh
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