[Advaita-l] Dayanand Saraswathi interview - Very interesting stand taken by Swami

[sreenivasa murthy]

Dear Sri Balasubramanian Ramakrishnan,
   Is it ever possible for a mumukshu to have sAkShAtkAra of Brahman as an object ? Does this concept not  contradict the Srutivakya "adRuShTam" , " yEnEdaM sarvaM vijAnIti taM kEna vijAniyAt, vijnAtAram arE kEna vijAnIyAt" etc. etc. Is Brahman available for sAkShAtkAra? What is brahmasAkShatkAra  itself? I will be grateful to you if you could explain and clarify it.
With respectful namaskarams,Sreenivasa Murthy

 


      From: Balasubramanian Ramakrishnan via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
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 Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2017 4:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Dayanand Saraswathi interview - Very interesting stand taken by Swami
   
You seem have a few misconceptions. Yes, after brahma saakShaatkaara a
"fall" is possible. Sankara says that the person should take up sannyaasaa
and become a parivraajaka immediately AFTER saakShaatkaara to avoid this.
This has been discussed extensively in the list before. No you cannot
identify a person as a jiivanmukta or not, I.e., an "objective" test is not
available. That is indeed one of the ideas expressed by the dharmavyAdha
story or the R^ibhu story in the Vishnu purana.

Furthermore I suggest that you spend some time in introspection on the
anger you are displaying towards Ramana and his followers. Perhaps he
wasn't a jiivanmukta, so what part of their behavior is creating so much
agitation in you?

Rama

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 9:06 AM Kripa Shankar via Advaita-l <
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> Ok, let's assume so. Still he said - he may not have been a jiivanmuukta.
> Does that mean inspite of brahmatma saakshatkara, Jivanmukti is doubtful?
> This is why your arguments are far fetched. Because you already arrive at
> the conclusion first, then you try to reconcile with/justify it.
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> If we cannot determine if a person is jivanmukta or not, is Jivanmukti a
> mere abstract idea? Is Moksha a speculation? Because otherwise, there is no
> proof if the jnani is reborn or not.
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