[Advaita-l] Debunking Drishti-Srishti Vada and Eka Jiva Vada - part 1

[H S Chandramouli]

Without going into a discussion on generalities, let me limit the
discussion by stating that I have not said tatvamasi is not suitable for
DSV in general. I have only stated that in this specific instance of the
commentary by Swami Vidyaranya in his Anubhutiprakasha that is under
discussion, Swamiji himself has explicitly stated that the mahAvAkya
tatvamasi is not the preferred choice for the drishtisrishti prakriyA
chosen by AjAtashatru to teach BalAki. I have already given the necessary
references in this regard. I am sure atleast the spirit of what I am saying
is clear enough, even though there may be some lacunae in the presentation.

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On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:33 PM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste
>
> You are not correct. In Naiskarmyasiddhi Sureshwara has used
> always 'Tattvamasyaadi" only when talking of Upadesha and Brahma Jnana. Tat
> Tvam Asi is the Foremost Upadesha Vaakya exactly like 'You are the Tenth'.
> Other Mahaa Vaakyas may be used also. But it will not mean Tat Tvam Asi
> cannot or should not be used. Therefore for DSV Upadesha also Tat Tvam Asi
> is very suitable.
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 12:30 PM, H S Chandramouli <
> hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:57 PM, Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Clearly, Swami Vidyaranya does not consider   << तत्वमसि (tatvamasi)
>>> >> as
>>> > the appropriate mahAvAkya for his version of DSP.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >This is not correct. Because Tat Tvam Asi is always Upadesha >Maha
>>> Vakya
>>> >from Guru to Sishya. It cannot be some other Vakya. It must be >Tat
>>> Tvam Asi
>>> >only in SDV and DSV and for all Sishyas it is Tat Tvam Asi. >From one
>>> Sloka
>>> >you cannot conclude any thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Namaste.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not so.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ओंकार (oMkAra) is one which is widely used for upadEsha. It does not
>>> make use of tatvamasi. The mahAvAkya in this regard अयमात्मा ब्रह्म
>>> (ayamAtmA brahma) taken together with the preceding words in the mantra
>>> सर्वं ह्येतद्ब्रह्म (sarvaM hyetadbrahma) translates to सर्वं ह्येतद्
>>> आत्मा (sarvaM hyetad AtmA) which is the same as the Br. Up. Mantra
>>> cited by me. I could have as well cited this also.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In Tai. Up. Varuna’s teaching to Bhrugu does not involve tatvamasi.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In Kenopanishad, the teaching does not involve tatvamasi though the Guru
>>> claims that the teaching follows parampara
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> << अन्यदेव तद्विदितादथो अविदितादधि ।
>>> इति शुश्रुम पूर्वेषां ये नस्तद्व्याचचक्षिरे ॥ ४ ॥ >>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> << anyadeva tadviditAdatho aviditAdadhi |
>>>
>>> iti shushruma pUrveShAM ye nastadvyAchachakShire || 4 || >>.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Many more can be cited.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Regards
>
> -Venkatesh
>