[Advaita-l] Without Shakti, Brahman has no role

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste

Siva and Sakti are one and the same according to Advaita. Like Siva and
Vishnu are same. Siva is Sakti and Sakti is Siva. Sakti is not inferior
like Avidyaa or Maayaa. Maayaa is maybe one aspect of Sakti.

Just like Vaishnavas some Saktas make Siva inferior and Sakti as Supreme
and some Saivas make Sakti inferior. But that is not correct.





2017-06-01 11:51 GMT+05:30 V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>:

> 2017-06-01 10:09 GMT+05:30 Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>:
>
> > Namaste
> >
> > True but Sankara  Bhashya also has अविद्यात्मिका हि सा बीज
> > शक्तिरव्यक्तशब्दनिर्देश्या परमेश्वराश्रया मायामयी महासुषुप्तिः, यस्यां
> > स्वरूपप्रतिबोधरहिताः शेरते संसारिणो जीवाः
> >
> > That Shakti is nothing but Maayaa only and Avidyaatmikaa.
> >
> > But in Saundarya Lahari Shakti is not like that. She is Brahman only and
> > not different.
>
>
> This verse of the Soundarya lahari, among many, holds Shakti as the consort
> of Shiva, Para Brahman:
>
> गिरामाहुर्देवीं द्रुहिणगृहिणीमागमविदो
> हरेः पत्नीं पद्मां हरसहचरी-मद्रितनयाम्
> तुरीया कापि त्वं दुरधिगम-निस्सीम-महिमा
> महामाया विश्वं भ्रमयसि परब्रह्ममहिषि (97)
>
> *Meaning :*
>
> Oh ,  Queen of the Parabrahman, though those who have understood the
> secrets of the Vedas, call you as Brahma’s (Druhina) wife Sarawathi (the
> godess of learning), or call you as Vishnu’s (Hari) wife Lakshmi (Padma),
> or call you as the partner of Shiva (Hara) and the daughter of the
> mountains (Parvathi), While,  you perplex the world by being the
> transcendent and unattainable fourth entity called Maha Maya, who is of
> boundless spendour, and dazzles the world and gives life to it.
>
> Here is one more:
>
> विरिञ्चिः पञ्चत्वं व्रजति हरिराप्नोति विरोतिं
> विनाशं कीनाशो भजति धनदो याति निधनम् ।
> वितन्द्री माहेन्द्री विततिरपि संमीलति दिशां
> महासंहारेऽस्मिन् विलसति सति त्वत्पतिरसौ ॥२६॥
>
> The creator (Brahmā) reaches the dissolution,
>  Vishnu attains death,
> The god of death even dies,
> Kubera the lord of wealth expires,
> The Indras close their eyes one after one,
> And attain the wakeless sleep,
> During the final deluge,
> But you my chaste mother,
> Play with your consort the Sadashiva.
>
> (In some translations it is said that Vishnu retires)
>
> Maybe Shākta-s hold Shakti to be Parabrahman.
>
>
>
>
> > Many Shakti worshippers also will say Shakti is same as
> > Brahman. Adi Sankara did not say if there is Shakti there must always be
> > Pravrutti. He only said if there is Pravrutti there must be Shakti.
>
>
> In the cited BSB passage Shankara says: If there is no Shakti, there can be
> no pravrtti for Brahman. Here pravrtti means: sriṣhti, etc. cosmic
> functions.
>
> regards
> subrahmanian.v
>
>
>
> > Shakti can be in Nivrutti condition also. Therefore Shakti is nothing but
> > Brahman
> > only.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2017-05-31 16:46 GMT+05:30 V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>:
> >
> > > In the Brahmasutra bhashya 1.4.3 तदधीनत्वादर्थवत् ॥ ३ ॥, Shankara
> makes a
> > > very far-reaching statement:
> > >
> > > अत्रोच्यते — यदि वयं स्वतन्त्रां काञ्चित्प्रागवस्थां जगतः
> > > कारणत्वेनाभ्युपगच्छेम, प्रसञ्जयेम तदा प्रधानकारणवादम् ; परमेश्वराधीना
> > > त्वियमस्माभिः प्रागवस्था जगतोऽभ्युपगम्यते, न स्वतन्त्रा । सा
> > > चावश्याभ्युपगन्तव्या ; अर्थवती हि सा ; न हि तया विना परमेश्वरस्य
> > > स्रष्टृत्वं सिध्यति, शक्तिरहितस्य तस्य प्रवृत्त्यनुपपत्तेः ।
> > >
> > > If we admit an independent latent power as the cause of the world, then
> > we
> > > will be giving occasion to the Sankhya's pradhāna-as-the-cause
> doctrine.
> > We
> > > do accept a power that is subservient to Brahman and not something that
> > is
> > > independent. Such a latent power has to be necessarily admitted; it is
> > with
> > > purpose. Without that power Brahman's creatorship cannot be admitted
> > since
> > > a Brahman without such a power is completely non-functional.
> > >
> > > The idea conveyed here is very nicely presented by Shankara in the very
> > > opening verse of the Soundaryalahari:
> > >
> > > शिवःशक्त्यायुक्तो यदि भवति शक्तःप्रभवितुं
> > > न चेदेवं देवो न खलु कुशलः स्पन्दितुमपि।
> > > अतस्त्वाम् आराध्यां हरि-हर-विरिन्चादिभिरपि
> > > प्रणन्तुं स्तोतुं वा कथमकृतपुण्यः प्रभवति॥
> > >
> > > Shiva united with Shakti becomes able to manifest
> > > If otherwise, this god knows not even how to pulsate.
> > > How then could one of ungained merit be able to bow to, or even praise
> > > One such as you, adored by Vishnu, Shiva and Brahma.
> > >
> > > In the above verse the greatness of Shakti is brought out by stating
> that
> > > Shiva, Brahman, will be able to engage in cosmic activity only when
> > united
> > > with His power. Without so uniting with Her, it is impossible to do
> > > anything for Brahman.
> > >
> > > Shankara in the BSB implies that when it comes to creation, etc.,
> Brahman
> > > has to depend on Shakti. Without that Shakti, the Nirguna, Nishkriya
> > > Brahman is incapable of engaging in any activity.
> > >
> > > Thus Shankara conveys the Upanishadic message of the status and role of
> > > Brahman and Shakti in the Brahmasutra and the Soundaryalahari.
> > >
> > > regards
> > > vs
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> >
> > -Venkatesh
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-Venkatesh