[Advaita-l] Why brahma jnAna is capable of sarva nivritti
svedagarbha at gmail.com
Mon Mar 27 09:18:41 EDT 2017
On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 7:59 AM, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
>>> Contrary to the previous thinking that I am doer-enjoyer, in all the
>>> three periods of time I am Brahman that is neither doer nor enjoyer. Before
>>> I was not doer-enjoyer, nor now, nor even in the future will I be
>>> doer-enjoyer - such is the realization of a Knower. BSB 4.1.23.
>>> So, upon Brahman-realization, all things attached to samsara: the
>>> samsāri, the ignorance, the world, the thinking that I have/had samsāra -
>>> all are negated.
>> In that case you cannot claim sAdhaka's jnyAnOdhaya is resulting
>> sarva-nivritti. But it is result of suddha-brahman's jnynOdya. Just as in
>> the given example, the sarva-nivritti of dream-person's bhramA is not due
>> to 'jnyAnOdya' of that dream person himself, but the jnyAnOdya of the
> This is iṣṭāpatti for the siddhantin for the sādhaka is none other than
> Brahman. Br.Up.1.4.10 is a case of Brahman knowing its true nature and
> attaining infinitude.
Don't forget in AV, sAdhaka is not Brahman, but only his chinmAtra is
Brahman. So it is not istApatti so easily.
More over, you missed the point that I clearly said it would be
**suddha-braman** 's jnyOdaya which causes sarav-niviritti if we were to
take example quoted by siddhikAra.
>> In that same line, the shruti (which is equivalent to silver bharmA of
>> the dream person in your example) cannot be claimed by AV to be the cause
>> of the jnyAnOdya and sarva-nivritti. Because in the given example silver
>> bhrama does not 'cause' any jnyAnOdya for the dreamer.
> I have not equated the shruti with the silver bhrama.
But siddhikAra implied by quoting nested bhramA example.
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