[Advaita-l] Chanting Gayatri overseas

[D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి.ఎన్.శర్మ]

यः नः धियः  प्रचोदयात् तत् सवितुः देवस्य वरेण्यं भर्गः धीमहि।

What is there that cannot be repeated here or elsewhere?
regards,
Sarma.


On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Vēdānta Study Group via Advaita-l
<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> Karmabhoomi refers to any place where karma is being done (as opposed to
> bhogabhoomi, where one only reaps results of past actions (such as svarga,
> or in svapna avastha, or gatis outside of manushya gati)).
>
> This may extend to any place in the jagat where a free-willed creature is
> able to perform deliberate actions.
>
> Namaste,
> Prashant
>
> On 2 October 2017 at 12:30, Santosh Rao via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> A sticking point in this topic seems to be the debate between whether
>> karmabhoomi refers to India, or to the planet earth in total.
>>
>> The traditional view will maintain that bharata-varsha/karmabhoomi only
>> refers to India, the more modern crowd will say it refers to our planet.
>>
>> I favor the traditional view, but Jaldhar brings up a good point, what
>> constitutes "India?" South India was not always considered bharata-varsha,
>> since all of the stories in our shastras took place in North India,
>> Brahmanas only came and settled there at a much later point in time. Am I
>> off-base with this assumption?
>>
>> Namaskara,
>>
>> - Santosh
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Vēdānta Study Group via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Namaste, Raghav ji,
>> >
>> > You are right! The inspiration of what I said comes from my Guru, Pujya
>> > Swami Dayananda ji (Arsha Vidya) himself :)
>> >
>> > As long as the dharmi is protected, dharma will remain protected. Dharma
>> is
>> > only an abstract expression unless embodied by a dharmi.
>> >
>> > Namaste,
>> > Prashant
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2 October 2017 at 12:15, Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l <
>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Namaste 'Vedanta Study Group'
>> > >  It was written by you -
>> > > *However, the single most important factor for dharma is the dharmi,
>> the
>> > > individual who embodies dharma. And should a Dharmi travel overseas,
>> then
>> > > most certainly he takes (vaidika) dharma along with him and inspires
>> > others
>> > > to do so as well. *
>> > > (word in brackets is mine)
>> > > Thats really well put by you.
>> > >
>> > > The above para reminds me of what Swami Dayananda Saraswati ji of Arsha
>> > > Vidya would often say, viz., that to protect Dharma is nothing but, to
>> > > protect dharmI-s.
>> > >
>> > > When we say 'dharmo raxati raxitaH', there too the implication is that
>> we
>> > > are enjoined to protect dharmI-s.
>> > >
>> > > And where there are dharmI-s there is vaidika dharma as well. ( Those
>> who
>> > > began as dharmI-s, in India, don't  cease to be dharmI-s, by the mere
>> act
>> > > of traveling - thats the assumption I am making, which is a matter for
>> > > another discussion).
>> > >
>> > > Another point is that if we take arthavAda-s about geographical
>> greatness
>> > > of India, literally, then we have to also come to terms with other
>> ideas
>> > > from Manu Smriti (?). For example, a brAhmaNa loses his brAhmaNatvam if
>> > he
>> > > lives in a country ruled by so-called 'mlecchas' for more than some 12
>> > > years. (My memory says it's the manu Smriti but need to check).  By
>> that
>> > > yardstick , we have been ruled by non-vaidikas for over 700 years.
>> Surely
>> > > that implies something, if we take an overly literal meaning out of
>> > things.
>> > >
>> > > Another unfortunate fact we have to face is that the punya bhUmi where
>> > most
>> > > of the vedic rishis dwelled is now called pakistan. To say that gAyatri
>> > > japam will be efficacious in Islamabad and Peshawar but not in
>> > Pittsburgh,
>> > > seems a bit unconvincing.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Om
>> > > Raghav
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 02-Oct-2017 8:46 PM, "Vēdānta Study Group via Advaita-l" <
>> > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Harih Om,
>> > >
>> > > Svadharma is very specific to desha (place) and kAla (time). What was
>> > > legitimate practice at some place and time may not be so elsewhere, and
>> > the
>> > > same applies for what may be considered illegitimate in other contexts.
>> > > That is not to say that everything in shAstra is up for debate or
>> > > interpretation, but *the decision to guide one's sAdhanAs should
>> > ultimately
>> > > be left to one's sampradayavit Guru* (the definition of whom is given
>> in
>> > > the mundaka upanishad).
>> > >
>> > > I am born and brought up in Mumbai, in a very urban setting, with
>> minimal
>> > > exposure to our shAstras, but it was only during my stay in the US that
>> > my
>> > > interest in learning more about our vaidika heritage grew to a sizable
>> > > extent. Also, dharma (and the results of karma thereof, if that is a
>> > > perspective one wants to take) is not bound to any one geography. As
>> > > someone rightly pointed out, the boundaries of bharatavarsha have
>> > > significantly reduced over the centuries- it once included Pakistan,
>> > where
>> > > we well know how Hindus are treated.
>> > >
>> > > It is indeed true that Bharata will always be the seat of Sanatana
>> > Dharma.
>> > > In spite of repeated onslaught against Hindus, our Dharmika culture is
>> > > still much the basis of Indian civilization, and this culture is the
>> very
>> > > manifestation of the vaidika teachings and vice versa. Truly, the
>> > > declaration- ishavasyam idam sarvam- permeates our ethos. Just to cite
>> an
>> > > example, we look upon all forms of wealth as Lakshmi, knowledge as
>> > > Saraswati, and if our feet were to touch an object of wealth or
>> knowledge
>> > > we immediately hold it against our reclined heads. This is not
>> something
>> > > that can be learned without observing it as a pervasive phenomenon
>> around
>> > > us, and this is certainly not something we would widely observe outside
>> > of
>> > > India.
>> > >
>> > > *However, the single most important factor for dharma is the dharmi,
>> the
>> > > individual who embodies dharma. And should a Dharmi travel overseas,
>> then
>> > > most certainly he takes dharma along with him and inspires others to do
>> > so
>> > > as well. *
>> > >
>> > > Namaste
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 29 September 2017 at 11:03, Gopal via Advaita-l <
>> > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Namaste,
>> > > >
>> > > > in the same line of info given by sri chandramouli, please visit:
>> > > > http://ananthsvedagroup.org/ from the DC area.  Sri Anantha
>> Krishnan,
>> > an
>> > > > ardent shishya of Sri Sringeri mutt Mahaswamins of 3 generations can
>> be
>> > > > contacted from the 'contact' link with any questions. He has been
>> > > > practicing vaideeka dharma and more specifically veda paata, for
>> > around 5
>> > > > decades in this "mlecchaa, non-varna ashrama-installed, decadent,
>> > > adharmic,
>> > > > rap-listening-pizza-eating-unrestrained" country (sarcasm intended
>> > with
>> > > in
>> > > > quotes for humor!).  HOpe you would get some pointers.  Another
>> source
>> > > > would be  Sri Vidyashanker of this list.    In addition, Sri Sadaji,
>> an
>> > > > acharya resident of DC area and associated with chinmaya mission who
>> > > leads
>> > > > many discussions on this list, could be of a personal source of
>> > > > clarifications..
>> > > >
>> > > > I would also like to quote from an article (
>> > > > https://ruthaavaree.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/musings-
>> > > > on-rig-veda-mantras_final.pdf)
>> > > > that I wrote based on writings from Sri Aurobindo,Sri Kapali Sastry
>> and
>> > > Sri
>> > > > Kashyap a temple souvenir.  In any of the texts quoted here that I
>> have
>> > > > read and also the mula mantra samhita paata, that I have (with my
>> > > miniscule
>> > > > knowledge and intelligence) come across qualifications of a
>> vidhyaarthi
>> > > > based on geography!   Like  Vidhya devi tells the rishi as quoted by
>> > > > Yakshaacharya and later by Sayana,  the qualifications for veda
>> mantra
>> > > > artha anubhava are more subtler and psychological  not liked to GPS..
>> > > just
>> > > > my humble thought on your query. Forgive me for any imprudence:
>> > > >
>> > > > 1)    .."Brhat Devatā –  compendium of vedic gods by rishi Shaunaka -
>> > > > states the qualifications of such a rishi who has the mantra drishti
>> :
>> > “a
>> > > > mantra is not perceptible to one who is not a rishi. He who knows
>> Gods
>> > > > knows the riks. They are  to be approached through Yoga (yogena)
>> with -
>> > > > clear understanding (daakshyena), selfcontrol (damena), skill and
>> > general
>> > > > knowledge (baahu shruthyena) and above all with tapasyā ” (Brihat
>> > Devatā
>> > > > 8:129-130 as  translated by Sri Kapali Sastry). Only to such a
>> sādhaka
>> > –
>> > > a
>> > > > rishi - a drishtā, that Mother vāk chooses to reveal the Truth :
>>  uto
>> > > > tvasmai tanvaṃ visasre jāyeva patya uśati suvāsāḥ - (she) reveals to
>> > the
>> > > > one she chooses to, just as a loving wife, beautifully dressed,
>> reveals
>> > > her
>> > > > body (only) to her husband (RV 10:71:4b)”.
>> > > >
>> > > > 2)  ....These mahāpurushās should be considered as rishis to whom vāk
>> > > chose
>> > > > to reveal Her Truths so that the glory and eternity of mantras can be
>> > > > re-invigorated for the Man to call and invoke the devatās for worship
>> > > > without any doubt or exaggeration. There is a cue to this earlier in
>> > Rig
>> > > > Veda:“ rÉÑaÉå devānāṃ nu vayaṃ jānā pra vocāma vipanyayā /
>> > > > uktheśuśasyamāneśu yaḥ paśyāduttare yuge – Let us proclaim with Light
>> > the
>> > > > Hosts of Gods That one may see them when these hymns are chanted in
>> the
>> > > > future ages” declared a rishi in RV 10:72.1. Obviously the devatās
>> are
>> > to
>> > > > be seen  – pashyema, as one trains the inner faculties to sense their
>> > > > Presence during worship – whether by the shores of river Saraswathi
>> in
>> > > Rig
>> > > > vedic times or by the river Potomac much later.
>> > > >
>> > > > thanks
>> > > > ..gopal Gopinath
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:22 AM, H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l <
>> > > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Namaste Santosh Ji,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Under the auspicies of the Sringeri Mutt, several vedic rituals
>> are
>> > > > > > regularly being conducted at their temple in Strautsberg. These
>> > > include
>> > > > > > Homas, Japa yagnas like Gayatri Japa Yagna etc.   These are being
>> > > > > conducted
>> > > > > > with the blessings of the Jagadgurus of Sringeri Mutt. There is
>> no
>> > > bar
>> > > > on
>> > > > > > carrying on with the nitya karmas and other karmas abroad. Please
>> > go
>> > > > > ahead.
>> > > > > > If you still have any doubts, please check with your Guru ( at
>> the
>> > > > > highest
>> > > > > > level) directly and follow His instructions. Please do not come
>> to
>> > a
>> > > > > > conclusion based on the opinions expressed here. All the best.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Regards
>> > > > > >
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