[Advaita-l] Chanting Gayatri overseas

D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి.ఎన్.శర్మ dvnsarma at gmail.com
Tue Oct 3 01:12:01 EDT 2017


यः नः धियः  प्रचोदयात् तत् सवितुः देवस्य वरेण्यं भर्गः धीमहि।

What is there that cannot be repeated here or elsewhere?
regards,
Sarma.


On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Vēdānta Study Group via Advaita-l
<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> Karmabhoomi refers to any place where karma is being done (as opposed to
> bhogabhoomi, where one only reaps results of past actions (such as svarga,
> or in svapna avastha, or gatis outside of manushya gati)).
>
> This may extend to any place in the jagat where a free-willed creature is
> able to perform deliberate actions.
>
> Namaste,
> Prashant
>
> On 2 October 2017 at 12:30, Santosh Rao via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> A sticking point in this topic seems to be the debate between whether
>> karmabhoomi refers to India, or to the planet earth in total.
>>
>> The traditional view will maintain that bharata-varsha/karmabhoomi only
>> refers to India, the more modern crowd will say it refers to our planet.
>>
>> I favor the traditional view, but Jaldhar brings up a good point, what
>> constitutes "India?" South India was not always considered bharata-varsha,
>> since all of the stories in our shastras took place in North India,
>> Brahmanas only came and settled there at a much later point in time. Am I
>> off-base with this assumption?
>>
>> Namaskara,
>>
>> - Santosh
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Vēdānta Study Group via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Namaste, Raghav ji,
>> >
>> > You are right! The inspiration of what I said comes from my Guru, Pujya
>> > Swami Dayananda ji (Arsha Vidya) himself :)
>> >
>> > As long as the dharmi is protected, dharma will remain protected. Dharma
>> is
>> > only an abstract expression unless embodied by a dharmi.
>> >
>> > Namaste,
>> > Prashant
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2 October 2017 at 12:15, Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l <
>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Namaste 'Vedanta Study Group'
>> > >  It was written by you -
>> > > *However, the single most important factor for dharma is the dharmi,
>> the
>> > > individual who embodies dharma. And should a Dharmi travel overseas,
>> then
>> > > most certainly he takes (vaidika) dharma along with him and inspires
>> > others
>> > > to do so as well. *
>> > > (word in brackets is mine)
>> > > Thats really well put by you.
>> > >
>> > > The above para reminds me of what Swami Dayananda Saraswati ji of Arsha
>> > > Vidya would often say, viz., that to protect Dharma is nothing but, to
>> > > protect dharmI-s.
>> > >
>> > > When we say 'dharmo raxati raxitaH', there too the implication is that
>> we
>> > > are enjoined to protect dharmI-s.
>> > >
>> > > And where there are dharmI-s there is vaidika dharma as well. ( Those
>> who
>> > > began as dharmI-s, in India, don't  cease to be dharmI-s, by the mere
>> act
>> > > of traveling - thats the assumption I am making, which is a matter for
>> > > another discussion).
>> > >
>> > > Another point is that if we take arthavAda-s about geographical
>> greatness
>> > > of India, literally, then we have to also come to terms with other
>> ideas
>> > > from Manu Smriti (?). For example, a brAhmaNa loses his brAhmaNatvam if
>> > he
>> > > lives in a country ruled by so-called 'mlecchas' for more than some 12
>> > > years. (My memory says it's the manu Smriti but need to check).  By
>> that
>> > > yardstick , we have been ruled by non-vaidikas for over 700 years.
>> Surely
>> > > that implies something, if we take an overly literal meaning out of
>> > things.
>> > >
>> > > Another unfortunate fact we have to face is that the punya bhUmi where
>> > most
>> > > of the vedic rishis dwelled is now called pakistan. To say that gAyatri
>> > > japam will be efficacious in Islamabad and Peshawar but not in
>> > Pittsburgh,
>> > > seems a bit unconvincing.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Om
>> > > Raghav
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 02-Oct-2017 8:46 PM, "Vēdānta Study Group via Advaita-l" <
>> > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Harih Om,
>> > >
>> > > Svadharma is very specific to desha (place) and kAla (time). What was
>> > > legitimate practice at some place and time may not be so elsewhere, and
>> > the
>> > > same applies for what may be considered illegitimate in other contexts.
>> > > That is not to say that everything in shAstra is up for debate or
>> > > interpretation, but *the decision to guide one's sAdhanAs should
>> > ultimately
>> > > be left to one's sampradayavit Guru* (the definition of whom is given
>> in
>> > > the mundaka upanishad).
>> > >
>> > > I am born and brought up in Mumbai, in a very urban setting, with
>> minimal
>> > > exposure to our shAstras, but it was only during my stay in the US that
>> > my
>> > > interest in learning more about our vaidika heritage grew to a sizable
>> > > extent. Also, dharma (and the results of karma thereof, if that is a
>> > > perspective one wants to take) is not bound to any one geography. As
>> > > someone rightly pointed out, the boundaries of bharatavarsha have
>> > > significantly reduced over the centuries- it once included Pakistan,
>> > where
>> > > we well know how Hindus are treated.
>> > >
>> > > It is indeed true that Bharata will always be the seat of Sanatana
>> > Dharma.
>> > > In spite of repeated onslaught against Hindus, our Dharmika culture is
>> > > still much the basis of Indian civilization, and this culture is the
>> very
>> > > manifestation of the vaidika teachings and vice versa. Truly, the
>> > > declaration- ishavasyam idam sarvam- permeates our ethos. Just to cite
>> an
>> > > example, we look upon all forms of wealth as Lakshmi, knowledge as
>> > > Saraswati, and if our feet were to touch an object of wealth or
>> knowledge
>> > > we immediately hold it against our reclined heads. This is not
>> something
>> > > that can be learned without observing it as a pervasive phenomenon
>> around
>> > > us, and this is certainly not something we would widely observe outside
>> > of
>> > > India.
>> > >
>> > > *However, the single most important factor for dharma is the dharmi,
>> the
>> > > individual who embodies dharma. And should a Dharmi travel overseas,
>> then
>> > > most certainly he takes dharma along with him and inspires others to do
>> > so
>> > > as well. *
>> > >
>> > > Namaste
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 29 September 2017 at 11:03, Gopal via Advaita-l <
>> > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Namaste,
>> > > >
>> > > > in the same line of info given by sri chandramouli, please visit:
>> > > > http://ananthsvedagroup.org/ from the DC area.  Sri Anantha
>> Krishnan,
>> > an
>> > > > ardent shishya of Sri Sringeri mutt Mahaswamins of 3 generations can
>> be
>> > > > contacted from the 'contact' link with any questions. He has been
>> > > > practicing vaideeka dharma and more specifically veda paata, for
>> > around 5
>> > > > decades in this "mlecchaa, non-varna ashrama-installed, decadent,
>> > > adharmic,
>> > > > rap-listening-pizza-eating-unrestrained" country (sarcasm intended
>> > with
>> > > in
>> > > > quotes for humor!).  HOpe you would get some pointers.  Another
>> source
>> > > > would be  Sri Vidyashanker of this list.    In addition, Sri Sadaji,
>> an
>> > > > acharya resident of DC area and associated with chinmaya mission who
>> > > leads
>> > > > many discussions on this list, could be of a personal source of
>> > > > clarifications..
>> > > >
>> > > > I would also like to quote from an article (
>> > > > https://ruthaavaree.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/musings-
>> > > > on-rig-veda-mantras_final.pdf)
>> > > > that I wrote based on writings from Sri Aurobindo,Sri Kapali Sastry
>> and
>> > > Sri
>> > > > Kashyap a temple souvenir.  In any of the texts quoted here that I
>> have
>> > > > read and also the mula mantra samhita paata, that I have (with my
>> > > miniscule
>> > > > knowledge and intelligence) come across qualifications of a
>> vidhyaarthi
>> > > > based on geography!   Like  Vidhya devi tells the rishi as quoted by
>> > > > Yakshaacharya and later by Sayana,  the qualifications for veda
>> mantra
>> > > > artha anubhava are more subtler and psychological  not liked to GPS..
>> > > just
>> > > > my humble thought on your query. Forgive me for any imprudence:
>> > > >
>> > > > 1)    .."Brhat Devatā –  compendium of vedic gods by rishi Shaunaka -
>> > > > states the qualifications of such a rishi who has the mantra drishti
>> :
>> > “a
>> > > > mantra is not perceptible to one who is not a rishi. He who knows
>> Gods
>> > > > knows the riks. They are  to be approached through Yoga (yogena)
>> with -
>> > > > clear understanding (daakshyena), selfcontrol (damena), skill and
>> > general
>> > > > knowledge (baahu shruthyena) and above all with tapasyā ” (Brihat
>> > Devatā
>> > > > 8:129-130 as  translated by Sri Kapali Sastry). Only to such a
>> sādhaka
>> > –
>> > > a
>> > > > rishi - a drishtā, that Mother vāk chooses to reveal the Truth :
>>  uto
>> > > > tvasmai tanvaṃ visasre jāyeva patya uśati suvāsāḥ - (she) reveals to
>> > the
>> > > > one she chooses to, just as a loving wife, beautifully dressed,
>> reveals
>> > > her
>> > > > body (only) to her husband (RV 10:71:4b)”.
>> > > >
>> > > > 2)  ....These mahāpurushās should be considered as rishis to whom vāk
>> > > chose
>> > > > to reveal Her Truths so that the glory and eternity of mantras can be
>> > > > re-invigorated for the Man to call and invoke the devatās for worship
>> > > > without any doubt or exaggeration. There is a cue to this earlier in
>> > Rig
>> > > > Veda:“ rÉÑaÉå devānāṃ nu vayaṃ jānā pra vocāma vipanyayā /
>> > > > uktheśuśasyamāneśu yaḥ paśyāduttare yuge – Let us proclaim with Light
>> > the
>> > > > Hosts of Gods That one may see them when these hymns are chanted in
>> the
>> > > > future ages” declared a rishi in RV 10:72.1. Obviously the devatās
>> are
>> > to
>> > > > be seen  – pashyema, as one trains the inner faculties to sense their
>> > > > Presence during worship – whether by the shores of river Saraswathi
>> in
>> > > Rig
>> > > > vedic times or by the river Potomac much later.
>> > > >
>> > > > thanks
>> > > > ..gopal Gopinath
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:22 AM, H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l <
>> > > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Namaste Santosh Ji,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Under the auspicies of the Sringeri Mutt, several vedic rituals
>> are
>> > > > > > regularly being conducted at their temple in Strautsberg. These
>> > > include
>> > > > > > Homas, Japa yagnas like Gayatri Japa Yagna etc.   These are being
>> > > > > conducted
>> > > > > > with the blessings of the Jagadgurus of Sringeri Mutt. There is
>> no
>> > > bar
>> > > > on
>> > > > > > carrying on with the nitya karmas and other karmas abroad. Please
>> > go
>> > > > > ahead.
>> > > > > > If you still have any doubts, please check with your Guru ( at
>> the
>> > > > > highest
>> > > > > > level) directly and follow His instructions. Please do not come
>> to
>> > a
>> > > > > > conclusion based on the opinions expressed here. All the best.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Regards
>> > > > > >
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