[Advaita-l] Chanting Gayatri overseas

Kalyan kalyan_kg at yahoo.com
Sat Oct 7 23:39:20 EDT 2017


I appreciate your liberal and practical outlook.

But as far as crossing the ocean is concerned, what applies to any brAhmaNa also applies to the Sringeri Acharya. So if there are "vibrant Hindu communities with Vedic knowledge" in distant lands, what prevents the AchArya from going there physically? Perhaps because he knows that it is prohibited. If it is prohibited for him, same for others.

So, your arguments don't really sound convincing. 


On Sun, 10/8/17, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Chanting Gayatri overseas
 To: "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
 Cc: "कुवँर बिपिन चौहान" <bipinchauhan7 at gmail.com>, "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>, "Raghav Kumar Dwivedula" <raghavkumar00 at gmail.com>, "Vēdānta Study Group" <vedant.study at gmail.com>
 Date: Sunday, October 8, 2017, 3:25 AM
 On Sun,
 Oct 8, 2017 at 8:21 AM, Kalyan <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
 //Also is
 important to keep in mind what Shankara has said in the BGB:
 even if one is proficient in all shāstra-s, if he has not
 acquired knowledge according to the sampradāya, his views
 are to be rejected as those of a fool.//
 Subbuji, I think you have a very unhealthy tendency to label
 everyone as an asAmpradAyavit or a fool very easily. I think
 you should curb this tendency. You very easily behave as if
 you are the only gatekeeper of sAmpradAya.
 Kalyan ji,
 I can understand your predicament
 and why you are piques by this. 
 And stop selectively quoting Shankara bhAshyas. Sistachara
 does not replace Shruti. 
 It is not replacement of shruti but
 the method of application of
 shruti.  The
 bhAshya on Br. Up. 1.3.10 is quite emphatic that one must
 not travel to foreign lands. Similar views are found in
 other dharmashastras quoted by others here. It is these,
 that the Sringeri Acharya has violated.
 Yukti is important in understanding
 and application of such statements. Supposing a group of ten
 or twenty families of vedic knowledge settle down in a
 'new' place, how is it going to affect the spirit of
 the shruti or dharma shastra statements? It is the spirit of
 those pronouncements that has to be kept in mind: what
 effect will the 'alien' environment have on the
 dharm. If this is adequately taken care of, where is the
 problem? All the dangers of the alien environment adversely
 affecting the dharmi are happily available in this land
 also. A son or a daughter of a parama vaidika going astray
 is not uncommon in our own society, family, etc. It is this
 spirit that has to be understood from the shruti and dharma
 shastra.  We have a verse: Ishwara recognizes the intent,
 the heart, of the bhakta/aspirant, and not the outward
 accessories. Thus, there is absolutely no violation that you
 think of by the Sringeri Acharya. When he blessed the event
 in the US, there is already a vibrant establishment, a huge
 settlement of people versed in the Vedas. There are already
 temples in the US for the last several decades, veda
 teaching going on, vaidika karma-s happening. Those adhering
 to that are all not asura-s, a great number of saattvika-s
 are also there. Just as everyone in this land is not a
 sattvika. It is this spirit that is recognized by the
 Acharya when he blessed the event and supports the
 this exactly happens when southerners go and settle in the
 northern part of India. There are many glaring conflicts in
 the conduct, achara of the two groups. Yet southerners have
 built up a community of their own there over time and
 happily adhere to their own, native, achara-s. Thus a
 foreign land can be there even within this country and all
 depends on how one tactfully applies the  shruti/dharma
 shastra. regardssubbu     
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 On Sun, 10/8/17, V Subrahmanian
 <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
  Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Chanting Gayatri overseas
  To: "कुवँर बिपिन
 चौहान" <bipinchauhan7 at gmail.com>
  Cc: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
 <advaita-l at lists.advaita-
 vedanta.org>, "Raghav Kumar Dwivedula"
 <raghavkumar00 at gmail.com>,
 "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>,
 "Vēdānta Study Group" <vedant.study at gmail.com>
  Date: Sunday, October 8, 2017, 2:36 AM
  On Sat,
  Oct 7, 2017 at 8:05 PM, कुवँर बिपिन
  चौहान <bipinchauhan7 at gmail.com>
  Please desh, kaal, stithi
  ke pare hai paralukik yeh purntah galat hai ki gayatri
  jambudwip se bahar uccahran kari jaye.
  Tark sansarik mat hai anytha sab neti neti
  Yeh spasht hai ki
  gayatri ji gupt hain 
  ahakaleshwar/posts/84314980578 5998
  My guru batuk shastri (Brahmnal, Varanasi)
  always says it's next to impossible we go against
  on anyway.
  Simple question: Is the
  Jagadguru of Sringeri wrong in blessing the SVBF
  in Pennsylvania? 
  Answer: I
  bipin chauhan on behalf of Eternal Law declared it
  Which text are you referring to by
  the above name? 
  For this
  my Guru ke Guru Swami Karpatri fight/ shastrath with
  mohan malviya that Widow marriage is not possible the
  vaishya kul empire goenka say as per shastr Swami
  ji right but malviya is also not wrong due to desh kal
  stithi shloka of gita ji.
  know Jagadguru Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamiji but
  or will of Brahman all this happen because Bharat unable
  %BE%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%A8 from long ago.
  In the Taittiriyopaniṣat 1.11.3 we
  यदि ते
  वा वृत्तविचिकित्सा
  स्यात् ॥ ३ ॥ ये तत्र
  संमर्शिनः । युक्ता
  आयुक्ताः । अलूक्षा
  धर्मकामाः स्युः ।
  ते तत्र वर्तेरन् ।
  वर्तेथाः । Shankara
  says:  अथ
  एवं वर्तमानस्य यदि
  कदाचित् ते तव श्रौते
  स्मार्ते वा कर्मणि
 वा आचारलक्षणे विचिकित्सा
  संशयः स्यात् भवेत् ,
  तत्र तस्मिन्देशे
  वा ब्राह्मणाः तत्र
  कर्मादौ युक्ता इति
  व्यवहितेन सम्बन्धः
  कर्तव्यः ; संमर्शिनः
  अभियुक्ताः, कर्मणि
  वृत्ते वा आयुक्ताः
  अलूक्षाः अरूक्षाः
  अकामहता इत्येतत् ;
  स्युः भवेयुः, ते
  ब्राह्मणाः यथा येन
  प्रकारेण तत्र
  वा वर्तेरन् , तथा
  त्वमपि वर्तेथाः ।
  If one
  gets a doubt as to how to conduct oneself on a
  issue, he must do as those brāhmaṇa-s who live in
  place or time who practice dharma and are intent on
  adṛṣṭa, not given to desire, who are not given to
  Sureshwaracharya too does not say
  anything different in the Taittiriya Bhāṣya Vārtika
  Sāyaṇāchārya for this mantra
  says:  vṛtta, conduct, means
  laukikaḥ ācāraḥ. ' That pertaining to his own
  family, lineage, etc. worldly conduct. There can be doubt
  to this too, for one sees conduct like 'marrying
  one's maternal daughter, eating meat, etc. A person
  might get a doubt as to these issues too. In that case,
  has to be guided by the practices of noble persons who
  in that place, at that time, where this person
  So it is very
  clear that in the matter of conduct, dharma, there
  be any 'eternal' law; it is essentially decided
  desha and kāla.  That is exactly what Shankara has said
  the Brahma sutra bhashya. All that the Veda or he
  has said elsewhere has to be understood in the light of
  statement of Shankara and the Taittiriyopanishat. Also,
  can see the other element that I had highlighted: it is
  adherence to yama (akrodha, etc.) that gains supremacy
  niyama. The Taittiriya says: those brahmanas who are
  given to krodha, kāma, etc. as Shankara has
  Dharma differs from place to place, time to time. 
  maṭhāmānya that you seem to refer to does not say
  anything about the topic.  So, your own ignorance or
  whatever, you are trying to superimpose on the
  Also is important to keep in mind what Shankara has said
  the BGB: even if one is proficient in all shāstra-s, if
  has not acquired knowledge according to the sampradāya,
  views are to be rejected as those of a fool. The view
  have expressed does not bear the kind of sampradāya
  Shankara has adhered to as is evident in his
  On 7
  October 2017 at 10:23, Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via
  <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedan
  ta.org> wrote:
  an excellent bhAShya reference, Subbu ji,  on how
  definitely be reinterpreted by shiShTa-s in keeping with
  present desha
  and kAla. No doubt it's not a licence to say,
  goes. We have to
  cautiously move on.
  But to say that all NRI brahmins are patita-s as long
  they are based
  abroad seems untenable.

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