[Advaita-l] The Enlightened Guru as Jagatkāraṇam

Sujal Upadhyay sujal.u at gmail.com
Tue Oct 31 06:56:20 EDT 2017


IMHO, all Jnani-s whether they display or use siddhi-s or not, they are
always have the power, as Ishvara is working through them. When Ishvara
gives them some work, Ishvara also gives them sAmarthya (ability / power)
to complete the task.

Jnana is an internal state of mind, and we cannot determine whether one is
a Jnani or an advance disciple or a thug. However, in case of Jnani, if
such a person leaves his physical body, he may retain his subtle bodies and
continue to operate. If, in case, he renounces all his bodies, and is
invoked with great faith by a devotee, Ishvara may interact with devotee
using the form of a Jnani.

Technically, both are one, however, when body still exist, a Jnani may
choose to be act as a 'servant of God' then to talk as 'God'. There is
difference between Ishvara and Brahman. We cannot compare Ishvara's
aishvarya with that of Jnani. However, when Jnani drops all bodies, then
only Brahman remains.

As far as Jnana and moksha are concerned. Staying in Jnana destroys all
vAsanA-s and karma-phala. This results in moksha. Siva represents Jnana.
Siva grants Jnana and Vishnu grants moksha. Both are so interconnected that
they cannot be separated. Jnana results in moksha automatically. It is not
that both are separate process.

I had collected some quotes from guru gita few years back

Guru and Guru Tatva from Guru Gita

Brahman and Qualifications of Disciple to receive Brahma-vidya from Guru

Guru Gita mentions seven types of guru-s

Guru Gita - Gurus to be avoided

Just my 2 cc

Hari OM

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Aditya Kumar via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

>  The Enlightened Guru as Jagatkāraṇam
> The Mundakopanishat, for instance, teaches that the aparokṣajñānin, if
> worshiped with desire for aishvarya, lordliness, wealth, etc. these will be
> granted.
> यं यं लोकं मनसा संविभाति विशुद्धसत्त्वः कामयते यांश्च कामान् ।
> तं तं लोकं जयते तांश्च कामांस्तस्मादात्मज्ञं ह्यर्चयेद्भूतिकामः ॥ १० ॥
> 10 Whatever world a man of pure understanding envisages in his mind and
> whatever desires he cherishes, that world he conquers and those desires he
> obtains, Therefore let everyone who wants prosperity worship the man who
> knows the Self.
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> A : So does this mean that a Jnani will _certainly_ have Yoga/Ashta
> Siddhis? Many Gurus are said to have abilities to curse and grant boons. So
> is this a good sign of deciding who is a true Jnani?
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> Sureshwara has said in the Mānasollāsa: Ishvaro gururātmeti
> mūrtibheda-vibhāgine. vyomavad vyāptadehāya dakṣiṇāmūrtaye namaḥ.
> Obeisance to Lord Dakshinamurti, the all-pervading Consciousness that alone
> appears as the Ishwara, the Guru and the Self (jiva).  Here too, Sureshwara
> is consistently voicing the 'one only appears as many' that he has said in
> the Bṛ.Up.Bh <http://xn--nig.up.bh> <http://xn--nig.up.bh>āṣya vārtika.
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> A : In the concluding verses of Manasollasa, the author states that the
> person will get all siddhis. But if anyone studying Manasollasa but do not
> have any siddhis, should we conclude that the person is not a jnani but
> wants to be a jnani?
> There is a view that all jnanis need not have Yoga Siddhis. But how do we
> explain this? Is it a hit or miss kind of thing? another indescribable
> factor? But it seems like everywhere there is support to conclude that a
> true jnani _most certainly_ attains siddhis which is why he becomes the
> Lord in the true sense because he/she is capable of granting boons and
> cursing. All powerful.
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