[Advaita-l] Accounting for Brahman appearing as the world

[H S Chandramouli]

A small correction.

In the revised version suggested, the word << the Self >> could be replaced
by the word  << aham >>.

regards

2017-09-09 17:42 GMT+05:30 H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>:

> To avoid confusion, perhaps the statement
>
>  << 'The body-mind (that was wrongly seen
>  as the Self) is (now known to be) nothing but the Upaniṣadic Atman.'
> ​ >>
>
> could be rephrased as
>
> << the Self (that was wrongly seen as the body-mind ) is ( now known to
> be ) nothing but the Upanisadic Atman >>.
>
> Regards
>
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> 2017-09-09 13:30 GMT+05:30 V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>:
>
>> On 9 Sep 2017 13:19, "Ravi Kiran" <ravikiranm108 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Namaste
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 12:37 PM, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>> > On 9 Sep 2017 12:27, "Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l" <
>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Namaste Sri Praveen
>> >
>> > You are right. If Badhayam Samanadhikaranyam is not accepted it becomes
>> > Parinama Vada only. But Advaita is not Parinama Vada. It is Vivarta
>> Vada.
>> > After Bhranti is over the Snake is not seen. In Badhayam
>> Samanadhikaranyam
>> > the Badhita Vastu will be Vyavaharika or Pratibhasika but not
>> Paramarthika.
>> > It will not be seen after realization.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > BSB: ब्रह्मसूत्रभाष्यम् । तृतीयः अध्यायः । तृतीयः
>> > पादः । व्याप्त्यधिकरणम् । सूत्रम् ९ - भाष्यम्
>> >
>> > व्याप्तेश्च समञ्जसम् ॥ ९ ॥
>> > भाष्यम् ‘ओमित्येतदक्षरमुद्गीथमुपासीत’ (छा. उ. १-१-१)
>> > <http://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/php/format.php?bhashya=
>> > Chandogya&page=01&hval=%E2%80%98%E0%A4%93%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BF%
>> > E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%
>> > 95%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B7%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A6%E0%
>> > A5%8D%E0%A4%97%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A5%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%AA%
>> > E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A4%E2%80%99%20%28%E0%A4%9B%
>> > E0%A4%BE.%20%E0%A4%89.%20%E0%A5%A7-%E0%A5%A7-%E0%A5%A7%29#Ch
>> _C01_S01_V01>
>> >
>> > इत्यत्र
>> > अक्षरोद्गीथशब्दयोः सामानाधिकरण्ये श्रूयमाणे
>> अध्यासापवादैकत्वविशेषणपक्षाणां
>> > प्रतिभासनात् कतमोऽत्र पक्षो न्याय्यः स्यादिति विचारः । तत्र अध्यासो नाम
>> —
>> > द्वयोर्वस्तुनोः अनिवर्तितायामेव अन्यतरबुद्धौ अन्यतरबुद्धिरध्यस्यते ;
>> > यस्मिन् इतरबुद्धिरध्यस्यते, अनुवर्तत एव तस्मिन् तद्बुद्धिः,
>> > अध्यस्तेतरबुद्धावपि— यथा नाम्नि ब्रह्मबुद्धावध्यस्यमानायामपि अनुवर्तत एव
>> > नामबुद्धिः, न ब्रह्मबुद्ध्या निवर्तते — यथा वा प्रतिमादिषु
>> > विष्ण्वादिबुद्ध्यध्यासः — एवमिहापि अक्षरे उद्गीथबुद्धिरध्यस्येत,
>> उद्गीथे वा
>> > अक्षरबुद्धिरिति । अपवादो नाम — यत्र कस्मिंश्चिद्वस्तुनि पूर्वनिविष्टायां
>> > मिथ्याबुद्धौ निश्चितायाम्, पश्चादुपजायमाना यथार्था बुद्धिः
>> पूर्वनिविष्टाया
>> > मिथ्याबुद्धेः निवर्तिका भवति — यथा देहेन्द्रियसङ्घाते आत्मबुद्धिः,
>> > आत्मन्येव आत्मबुद्ध्या पश्चाद्भाविन्या ‘तत्त्वमसि’ (छा. उ. ६-८-७)
>> > <http://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/php/format.php?bhashya=
>> > Chandogya&page=06&hval=%E2%80%98%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%
>> > E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%BF%E2%80%
>> > 99%20%28%E0%A4%9B%E0%A4%BE.%20%E0%A4%89.%20%E0%A5%AC-%E0%
>> > A5%AE-%E0%A5%AD%29#Ch_C06_S08_V07>
>> >
>> > इत्यनया
>> > यथार्थबुद्ध्या निवर्त्यते — यथा वा दिग्भ्रान्तिबुद्धिः
>> > दिग्याथात्म्यबुद्ध्या निवर्त्यते —
>> >
>> > Here both the adhyasa and the apavada type of sāmā...' are shown.  In
>> > apavada type (which is what is relevant to the bādhāyām...type), when
>> the
>> > wrong identification as the Self with the body-mind complex is
>> dispelled by
>> > the right knowledge of the Self, the sāmānādhikaraṇya is between 'the
>> > body-mind complex' and the 'Atman',
>> >
>>
>> The below statement -
>>
>>
>> > 'The body-mind (that was wrongly seen
>> > as the Self) is (now known to be) nothing but the Upaniṣadic Atman.'
>>
>>
>>  is not clear - it seems to equate the mithyA upAdhi with the upanisadic
>> Atman ??
>>
>> can you elaborate, what was intended ?
>>
>>
>> Yes. Just as the snake is realized to be none other than the rope, the
>> body-mind complex is realized to be in truth the true self. Here the
>> imagined object is negated on the realization of the real object there.
>> Upon negation what remains is the real object alone. What was wrongly seen
>> as snake is verily the rope. This is the baadha saamaanaadhikaranyam.
>>
>> vs
>>
>>
>> The
>> > right knowledge of the Atman dispels the wrong knowledge of the
>> body-mind
>> > as the Self.  This is the bādhā of the wrong knowledge.
>> >
>> > VS
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks
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