[Advaita-l] Accounting for Brahman appearing as the world

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Bhaskar YR via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> praNAms
> Hare Krishna
>
> Sri Bhaskara is saying as if Pot will be there even after Brahman is
> realized because everything is Brahman. Again we are slipping down to
> Parinama Vada. This is closer to Visistadvaita than Advaita. Because they
> also say all the Cit and Acit Vastus are real and the body of Brahma.
>
>
> Ø     I am not able to understand why pot should go to realize the clay
> !!??  Here pot (jagat) is pratyaksha pramANa gOchara and its kAraNa (the
> brahman) is NOT pratyaksha pramANita he is Agama siddha.  That which is
> established by one pramANa another pramANa cannot overtake  or supersede
> it.  Pratyaksha pramANita prameya i.e. nAma rUpa jagat cannot be effaced by
> shruti siddha brahma jnana.  Effacing the nAma rUpa jagat is NOT the
> ‘uddesha’ of shAstra and it is not in the scope of this shAstra pramANa.
> One pramANa cannot go against another pramANa.  The relationship between
> kArya and kAraNa here is not like anga-angi, shesha-sheshi, body-soul in
> vishishtAdvaita.  What we talk here is tAdAtmyalakshaNa between kArya jagat
> and kAraNa brahman.  And like kAraNa, kArya too are sattvaM eva na
> vyabhicharati, trishu kAleshu.  And it is because of the simple fact /
> vedAnta siddhAnta i.e. kAryAkArOpi kAraNasya Atma bhUta eva AnAtmabhUtasya
> anArabhyAt.  So, what is vedAnta maryAda  atleast according to bhAshyakAra
> is :  brahman is the abhinna nimittOpadAna kAraNa and hence shruti says :
> sarvaM khalvidaM brahma, brahmaivedaM vishvaM, satyanchAnrutancha
> satyamabhavat yadidaM kiMcha etc.  It is not vishishta Advaita, it is
> shishtAs’ shuddha Advaita for those who acknowledge the ‘vedAnta maryAda’.
>

If you are saying after realizing Brahman there is Pot also and there is
Brahman also it is Siddhanta Viruddha because there will be many Realities
and not One Reality. If you say there will be Nama Roopa even after
 Brahman realization also there will be same problem. We can have only one
Reality not many. Sruti Pramana can go against all Pramanas and itself.
That is why they say Sruti and all Pramanas are not Pramanas at Brahman
level. Because Pramana means there will be Triputi. Jnana-Jneya-Jnatru.
This is only Vyavaharika Satya but not Paramarthika. In Paramartha there is
no Jnana, no Jneya and no Jnatru division.

I am surprised you are writing like a Dvaiti. May be you should change from
Tripundra to Urdhwa Pundra.

>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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-Venkatesh