[Advaita-l] The 'Snake-and-ladder' game - The Spiritual path

[D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి.ఎన్.శర్మ]

There are so many sampradayas "ADVAITA, VISISTADVAITA, DVAITA, VIRASAIVA,
SAKTA, VALLABHA, NIMBARKA ETC.,) each claiming that it is
the only authentic and sruti sammata.and others are sruti bahta.

regards,
Sarma.


On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 11:12 AM Raghav Kumar Dwivedula <
raghavkumar00 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sarma ji
> You may have to look at Adi Shankara saying
> "asampradAyavit murkhavad upakShanIyaH"
> One who is not a knower of the (nondual teaching) tradition ought to be
> rejected as a fool
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> A person is wise to carefully study what the advaita tradition is saying
> by learning from a good teacher. If he is "otherwise", then he can have his
> own whimsical opinions.
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> In any case my experience of the learning through the tradition of Advaita
> teaching employing the careful use of words by accomplished teachers is the
> opposite of what your opinion is. Generally people will not benefit from
> study of shAstra if they don't fulfill the minimum prerequisites.
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> Best of luck with stumbling randomly upon the truths, all by yourself . ;)
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> On Sat 11 Aug, 2018, 7:37 AM D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి.ఎన్.శర్మ, <
> dvnsarma at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Raghavji,
>>
>> शब्दजालं महारण्यं चित्तभ्रमणकारणम्
>> Using language in order to express something which is not subject of
>> language and beyond language leads to problems.
>> As far as I am concerned  advaita is a matter of experience and not of
>> discussion. Tradition is huge bundle of trash which may contain
>> a few truths. It is not economical to process this trash for those few
>> truths. If they are truths we will come across them anyway.
>> I do not think any useful purpose is served by discussions about the
>> utility of tradition.
>>
>> Thank you for your post.
>> regards,
>> Sarma.
>>
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>> On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 6:49 AM Raghav Kumar Dwivedula <
>> raghavkumar00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Namaste Sarma ji
>>> yanmanasaa na manute does not mean Aatma GYAnam cannot be taught by guru
>>> through shAstra . Thats a wrong translation.
>>>
>>> You also have to look at 'manasA Eva idam aaptavyam' . Nishprapancham
>>> prapanchyate' etc.  It  only means Aatma cannot be *objectified* by the
>>> mind. Maybe you have heard of the nuance called absence of phala vyApti
>>> etc.,all issues taking us away in to other topics. So i stop here after
>>> reiterating that
>>> ShAstra is more than just a indicator of some distant truth - its a
>>> direct means of knowledge to reveal the Aatma svarUpam here and now for
>>> someone who studies it under a proper Guru after fulfilling the
>>> prerequisites.
>>>
>>> Anyway, you do not accept the Vedas as a pramANam , since you feel that
>>> the vedas are blackmailing  you in to submission - a view based on
>>> misreading the  Vedas  - so it's better to discuss other issues that you
>>> believe in and move on.
>>>
>>> Om
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>>> On Fri 10 Aug, 2018, 9:49 PM D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి.ఎన్.శర్మ, <
>>> dvnsarma at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Raghavji,
>>>> I already know all 1 and 2.
>>>> Third point is wrong. Aatma cannot be taught either by a guru or a
>>>> sastra. Aatma they say is not an object of knowledge.(yanmnsaa na manute)
>>>> It is knowledge itself.
>>>> Also you are contradicting your second statement that it is not
>>>> something to be achieved.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your post.
>>>> regards,
>>>> Sarma.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:30 PM Raghav Kumar Dwivedula <
>>>> raghavkumar00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Namaste Sarma ji
>>>>> Amongst several other things your statement - SAstras(upanishads)
>>>>> indicate that there is a state that has to be achieved *that is all* -
>>>>> is not at all right.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. It's not a state
>>>>> 2. It's not something new to be achieved
>>>>> 3.  ShAstra is more than just a indicator of some distant truth - its
>>>>> a direct means of knowledge to reveal the Aatma svarUpam here and now for
>>>>> someone who studies it under a proper Guru after fulfilling the requisites.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can understand that someone does not accept the Vedas as a pramANa.
>>>>> But  svataH pramaaNyavAda is implicit in all human transactions  including
>>>>> science.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Om
>>>>>
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