[Advaita-l] Dying to Live Peacefully - III

[Belavadi Shankar]

May I pit in a couple of comments:
First: Dharmic killing was demonstrated by Krishna when he was a young boy.
He killed his own uncle because Kamsa had earned that punishment. In the
Bhagavad Geeta Krishna says: For the sake of re-establishment of Dharma he
will be doing what he did in the Mahabharata.
Secondly: if Amartya Sen thinks Geeta is stupid because Krishna says that
perform action without thinking return, Mr. Sen has taken it out of
context.
He should read the Geeta again (and again) to understand the real meaning
underlying Krishna's messages. .
Shame on him
-Shankar S. Belavadi, Sc.D. (Johns Hopkins-USA)


On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 5:07 PM, KAMESWARARAO MULA via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Dear Sir's,
> "( Btw , nAstikas like Amartya Sen have a stupidtake on the Gita and say
> that the Gita is a dishonest book and it asks us to act without bothering
> about the consequences etc etc....)
> Yes, Amartya sen may be a  noble laurette in his 'ardha sastra', but I
> have of the opinion that, He may not a basic qualification in
> 'advait-vedant'/adhyatmikata or Hindu Dharma. He has taken a wrong stand on
> Gita as it the fundamental doctrine to bear out our Karma. How ever,
> commenting Gita as a dishonet book may be an offense of Crime. Why because,
> I will explain this to the follwing question?
>
> Is there any shAstra reference to what constitutes dhArmickilling? Like
> meting out just deserts for an AtatAyin, maybe? Sir,            Nothing
> constitutes Dharmic Killing???. What is this???.Please try to understand
> that no one can kill any one. If you kill some one, you have to bear its
> fruits of that action as there is no escape for karma which gita explains
> nicely.
> DHARMA never say to do any job or any action or it never instructs to do
> like this or don't do this. It is a DOCTRINE OF PRINCIPLE's which can be
> obtained only by 'ACHARAN', It can only see, can give the direction/path,
> can keep silent in difficult situations which is not it's concerned.
> We all should try to understand the fact that Lord Krishna has only pushed
> Arjuna to his DUTY , there by he can reduce the karmic load on this  mother
> Bhumi. He has never killed any one or may promoted an action which is going
> to Happen in TIME . He is purushottma, Narayana swarupa, Jagat GURU. One
> has to understand the fact that by doing all these wars/litigations/tricks,
> nothing attached to him. If he wants to save the 'upapandava's', he can
> easily save them, but he didn't do that. One has to see the REALITY always.
> It should be experienced, not be taught/or explained. Knowldege has to be
> gained in the form of VIDYA.
>
> A dusty particle under the feet of my SriGuruKameswara
>
>
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>     On Saturday, 6 January 2018 3:45 PM, Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via
> Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>
>  On 06-Jan-2018 12:57 PM, "Jaldhar H. Vyas via Advaita-l" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 5 Jan 2018, kuntimaddi sadananda via Advaita-l wrote:
>
> Bhagavat Geeta is from Mahabharata and Geeta is essentially a manual of
> > living beautifully and peacefully to ultimately to arrive at peace that
> > passeth understanding. Geeta, in essence, provides the discusses how to
> > live peacefully according to sanatana dharma perspective.
> >
>
> !!!  Let's not forget Gita took place on the eve of an ugly war in which
> lakhs of people including virtually the entire flower of the ruling classes
> were killed.  The Gita is many things but peaceful it is not.  And note
> Arjuna is perfectly willing to give up his kingdom, wealth etc.  It is
> Krishna Bhagavan who dissuades him.
>
>
> I was wondering why a battle in which the 'entire flower of the ruling
> classes perished' ( one researcher says that this loss of kxatriya prowess
> badly affected India for millennia, making it vulnerable to foreign
> invaders ) , is still regarded as right by Astika-s .
>
> ( Btw , nAstikas like Amartya Sen have a stupid take on the Gita and say
> that the Gita is a dishonest book and it asks us to act without bothering
> about the consequences etc etc....)
>
> But coming to the Astika-s perspective on extolling certain kinds of
> violence -
> dharmyaddhi yuddhAt shreyonyat kxatriyasya na vidyate, as they say.
>
> Can we say that if Arjuna had run away, then the forces of adharma would
> have caused even more deaths and disruption for society, in the longer run?
> So even from a societal perspective this killing people and violence was
> unavoidable and was for the larger good, like say, fighting the Nazis?
>
> Not to speak of fighting being good at the individual level for Arjuna in
> being karma yoga for him, which I am not focusing on for the moment.
>
> (ISKCON teachers say that the battle was legit because Krishna the supreme
> personality of Godhead goaded Arjuna. Period.)
>
> Is there any shAstra reference to what constitutes dhArmic killing? Like
> meting out just deserts for an AtatAyin, maybe?
>
> Om
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> The Mahabharata, particularly if you read the original, does not shy away
> from acknowledging the neegative consequences of the Pandavas actions.
> Nevertheless it was the right thing to do.  What the Gita teaches is how to
> develop the mental equanimity to do the right thing even when it may seem
> to be wrong.
>
> --
> Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
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