[Advaita-l] Creation by Brahman - only a nimitta - Vishnu Purana - Sridhara Swamin

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste

Vivarta Vaada is the true Vedantic teaching. When a person is seeing a rope
as a snake the rope is the Nimitta Maatra for the snake. The rope is not
actually changing into a snake. Without rope there is no snake. But we
cannot say rope is the Upaadaana for snake.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 11:07 PM, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 7:03 PM, Kalyan via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > Namaste
> >
> > This is certainly strange. In BSB, Shankara spends considerable time
> > arguing that brahman is also the material cause.
> >
> > Now all you are saying is that a dependant (on brahman) pradhAna is the
> > material cause whereas for sAmkhya, pradhAna is independent. (If that is
> > the only difference, wonder why so many polemics against the sAmkhyas).
> > This looks like a position that of Madhwa/dvaita would be very
> comfortable
> > with!
> >
>
> Namaste
>
> I expected this kind of understanding of the term nimitta  in the post.
> What is intended by the term 'nimitta maatram' is the participation of
> Brahman is only passive. [ A parallel is the term 'sAkShimAtram' in the
> antaryami brahmana 3.7.3 bhashyam  देवताकार्यकरणस्य
> ईश्वरसाक्षिमात्रसान्निध्येन
> हि नियमेन प्रवृत्तिनिवृत्ती स्याताम्  Sridhara Swamin too uses the term
> 'sannidhimaatra' .   The objection was: If Brahman, in association with
> rajoguna, is the creator, then the effects of rajas, namely activity,
> misery, etc. will apply to Brahman. In reply thereof it is stated that the
> participation of Brahman is only nimittamaatram, by mere presence as the
> consciousness.  This nimitta is not the same as 'nimitta kaaranam.'
>
> Regards
> subbu
>
> >
> > Regards
> > Kalyan
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-Venkatesh