[Advaita-l] Is Badarayana same as Vyasa?

[D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి.ఎన్.శర్మ]

What about other purvacharyas and other sampradayas like
Baudhayana(Visistadvaita)? Are they equally valid?
Obviously not for advaitins. That is why one falls back on
padavakyapramanatah.

regards,
Sarma.

2018-07-24 19:39 GMT+05:30 V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>:

> Shankara cites Gaudapada as 'sampradaya vit acharya' twice in the BSB
> itself:
>
>  तथा च सम्प्रदायविदो वदन्ति — ‘मृल्लोहविस्फुलिङ्गाद्यैः सृष्टिर्या
> चोदितान्यथा । उपायः सोऽवताराय नास्ति भेदः कथञ्चन’ (मा. का. ३ । १५)
> <http://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/display/bhashya/Mandukya?page=3&id=MK_C03_K15&hl=%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%83%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AB%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%99%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%97%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%88%E0%A4%83%20%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%83%E0%A4%B7%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%9F%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%20%E0%A4%9A%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%A5%E0%A4%BE%C2%A0%E0%A5%A4%20%E0%A4%89%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%83%20%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%BD%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AF%20%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AD%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%83%20%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%A5%E0%A4%9E%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%A8>
>  इति BSB  1.4.14
>
> अत्रोक्तं वेदान्तार्थसम्प्रदायविद्भिराचार्यैः — ‘ अनादिमायया सुप्तो यदा
> जीवः प्रबुध्यते । अजमनिद्रमस्वप्नमद्वैतं बुध्यते तदा’ (मा. का. १ । १६)
> <http://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/display/bhashya/Mandukya?page=1&id=MK_C01_K16&hl=%20%E0%A4%85%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%20%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8B%20%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%BE%20%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%83%20%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%AC%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A7%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%87%C2%A0%E0%A5%A4%20%E0%A4%85%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B5%E0%A5%88%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%82%20%E0%A4%AC%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A7%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%87%20%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%BE>
>  इति ।   BSB 2.1.9
>
> Shankara refers to Bhagavan Krishna himself as the 'originator of the
> Vedanta Sampradaya', taking the lineage of Advaita Vedanta to the Lord
> himself:
>
> वेदार्थसम्प्रदायमाविष्कुर्वता प्रोक्ता ..BGB 3.3      वेदान्तकृत्
> वेदान्तार्थसम्प्रदायकृत् इत्यर्थः, वेदवित् वेदार्थवित् एव च अहम् ॥ १५ ॥……… BGB
> 15.15
>
> Again, the very pillar of Vedanta, Shankara calls, is from the
> sampradaya:  तथा हि सम्प्रदायविदां वचनम् — ‘अध्यारोपापवादाभ्यां
> निष्प्रपञ्चं प्रपञ्च्यते’ ( ? ) इति………   BGB 13.13
>
> In BGB 18.50 Shankara pities those who are without the guru-sampradaya as
> those who will not reach the goal:   एवं गुरुसम्प्रदायरहितानाम्
> अश्रुतवेदान्तानाम् अत्यन्तबहिर्विषयासक्तबुद्धीनां सम्यक्प्रमाणेषु
> अकृतश्रमाणाम् ...
> And this is the very prayer of the aspirants of Brahmavidya that Shankara
> cites at the very beginning of the Br.Up.Bhashya:
> ओं नमो ब्रह्मादिभ्यो ब्रह्मविद्यासम्प्रदायकर्तृभ्यो वंशऋषिभ्यो नमो
> गुरुभ्यः
> Even a story of yore, Shankara acknowledges, in Br.up.Bh: 2.1.20, is from
> the sampradaya:  अत्र च सम्प्रदायविद आख्यायिकां सम्प्रचक्षते — कश्चित्किल
> राजपुत्रः जातमात्र एव मातापितृभ्यामपविद्धः व्याधगृहे...
> Again a word of pity for those bereft of sampradaya, varna-ashrama
> dharma:   ते तु कुतर्कदूषितान्तःकरणाः ब्राह्मणादिवर्णापशदाः अनुकम्पनीयाः
> आगमार्थविच्छिन्नसम्प्रदायबुद्धय इति ।   Br.up.Bh: 2.1.20
> Chandogya 8.14.1: Another acknowledgement of the Vedanta sampradaya from
> the earliest period:  तद्धैतत् आत्मज्ञानं सोपकरणम् ‘ओमित्येतदक्षरम्’
> इत्याद्यैः सहोपासनैः तद्वाचकेन ग्रन्थेन अष्टाध्यायीलक्षणेन सह ब्रह्मा
> हिरण्यगर्भः परमेश्वरो वा तद्द्वारेण प्रजापतये कश्यपाय उवाच ; असावपि मनवे
> स्वपुत्राय ; मनुः प्रजाभ्यः इत्येवं श्रुत्यर्थसम्प्रदायपरम्परयागतम् उपनिषद्विज्ञानम्
> अद्यापि विद्वत्सु अवगम्यते ।
>
> In the Mandukya karika 4th chapter, Shankara says Gaudapada pays obeisance
> to the Advaita Acharya, Narayana, who initiated the Vedanta sampradaya:
>  तत्राद्वैतदर्शनसम्प्रदायकर्तुरद्वैतस्वरूपेणैव नमस्कारार्थोऽयमाद्यश्लोकः ।
> आचार्यपूजा हि अभिप्रेतार्थसिद्ध्यर्थेष्यते शास्त्रारम्भे ।
>
> Thus we see Shankara accords the utmost importance to the proper lineage,
> the study, the dissemination of knowledge, the receiving of that knowledge,
> etc. as the hallmark of genuine sampradaya.
>
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> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 5:34 PM, Praveen R. Bhat <bhatpraveen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> ​Thats a very weak argument trying to support any kind of thinking
>> perhaps under the garb of being  modern and scientific  to replace
>> sampradAya. vyAkaraNa, mImAMsA and ​nyAya, all are part of sampradAya! The
>> plain reading of prayer will tell you that it is a prayer to the Gurus of
>> the tradition who used these as tools to lead others to the truth as taught
>> in the sampradAya. Perhaps your sensible man who doesn't accept it is
>> himself outside the sampradAya, else he would know that Panini also accepts
>> nipAtas and many words fall under sAdhuprayoga due to that or by bAhulyam,
>> pRShodarAdIni yathopadiShTam, etc.
>>
>> The tradition may not be a perfect interpreter since it is trying to
>> convey the non-conveyable, but it is better than all the self-styled
>> interpreters out there put together, who couldn't tell head from tail in
>> most cases and there goal is definitely not mokSha, due to
>> ardhajaratIyanyAya.
>>
>> ​gurupAdukAbhyAm
>> ,
>> --Praveen R. Bhat
>> /* येनेदं सर्वं विजानाति, तं केन विजानीयात्। Through what should one
>> know That owing to which all this is known! [Br.Up. 4.5.15] */
>>
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