[Advaita-l] Something Shankara alone can dare to say....

murali hr muralihr1977 at gmail.com
Mon Jun 25 04:04:38 EDT 2018

Pls do not use the word "LORD' use bhagwan or simply call shankara..
you are insulting shankara by adding LORD ; u know what the LORDS did to
the country and the rest of the world.

2018-06-24 8:50 GMT+05:30 V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>:

> n the BG 2.12 the Lord says:
> न त्वेवाहं जातु नासं न त्वं नेमे जनाधिपाः ।
> न चैव न भविष्यामः सर्वे वयमतः परम् ॥ १२ ॥
> 2.12 But certainly (it is) not (a fact) that I did not exist at any time;
> nor you, nor these rulers of men. And surely it is not that we all shall
> cease to exist after this.
> In the Bhashya Shankara observes, with regard to Bhagavan's remark about
> himself:
> न तु एव जातु कदाचित् अहं नासम् , किं तु आसमेव ।
> * अतीतेषु देहोत्पत्तिविनाशेषु घटादिषु वियदिव नित्य एव अहमासमित्यभिप्रायः ।*
> 2.12 Why are they not to be grieved for? Because they are eternal. How? Na
> tu eva, but certainly it is not (a fact); that jatu, at any time; aham, I ;
> na āsam, did not exist; on the contrary, I did exist. *The idea is that
> when the bodies were born or died in the past, I existed eternally,   like
> Space in pot etc.*
> From the above we know that Shankara holds the bodies of Bhagavān too to be
> subject to utpatti - birth and vināśa - destruction. He gives the example
> of the pot-space for the bodies of Bhagavān as well, that Shankara has
> given in the case of all the jiva-bodies, in the Mundaka Upanishat:
> मुण्डकोपनिषद्भाष्यम्द्वितीयं मुण्डकम्प्रथमः खण्डःमन्त्र १ - भाष्यम्
> ………एव, तथा उक्तलक्षणात् अक्षरात् विविधाः
> नानादेहोपाधिभेदमनुविधीयमानत्वाद्विविधाः हे सोम्य, भावाः जीवाः
> आकाशादिवद्घटादिपरिच्छिन्नाः
> सुषिरभेदा घटाद्युपाधिप्रभेदमनु भवन्ति ; एवं नानानामरूपकृतदेहोपाधिप्रभवमनु
> प्रजायन्ते, तत्र चैव तस्मिन्नेव चाक्षरे अपियन्ति देहोपाधिविलयमनु विलीयन्ते
> घटादिविलयमन्विव सुषिरभेदाः । यथाऽऽकाशस्य सुषिरभेदोत्पत्तिप्रलयनिमित्तत्वं
> घटाद्युपाधिकृतमेव, तद्वदक्षरस्यापि नामरूपकृतदेहोपाधिनिमित्तमेव
> जीवोत्पत्तिप्रलयनिमित्तत्वम् ॥ ………(one may look up the translation in
> Sw.Gambhirananda's book)
> That is, the pot is akin to the bodies and the space that does not get
> affected by the birth and destruction of the pot, is likened to the Ātmā,
> Pure Consciousness.  Shankara has Bhagavan's own words for evidence of even
> the bodies of Bhagavan too are subject to origin and
> destruction/lapse/disappearance:
> In BG 4.5 too the Lord says:
> बहूनि मे व्यतीतानि जन्मानि तव चार्जुन ।
> तान्यहं वेद सर्वाणि न त्वं वेत्थ परन्तप ॥ ५ ॥
> 4.5 The Blessed Lord said O Arjuna, many lives of Mine have passed, and so
> have yours. I know them all, (but) you know not, O scorcher of enemies!
> Shankara says:  बहूनि मे मम व्यतीतानि अतिक्रान्तानि जन्मानि तव च हे अर्जुन
>> [Many births of mine have gone by.]
> This is something Shankara alone will dare to say which is blasphemy for
> others. They can't tolerate the idea of the bodies of Bhagavan (aka
> avatara-s) originating and disappearing. A neo-Vaishnava will never be able
> to stomach this 'outrageous' observation of Shankara.
> regards
> subrahmanian.v
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