[Advaita-l] Sleep, tamas and brahman

[H S Chandramouli]

Sri Kalyan Ji,

Reg  <<  Why is jIva not aware in deep sleep? It is not due to some
concealing ignorance or any such thing. Mantras 4.3.23 to 4.3.30 provide
the answer - there is no second thing to be aware of. Since there is no
second thing, it automatically implies non-existence of ignorance in deep
sleep.>>,

What about the first thing or only thing? Ignorance itself is not something
else to be aware or not aware of. The Atman who is svaprakAsha is not
"known" due to presence of ajnAna. . ajnAna  is concealing the ONLY thing
that is existing.

Reg  <<  A jnAni may know he is liberated as long as he is alive, but once
he passes away, will he retain even this awareness? >>,

Jnani must have a body for this question to arise. Once he passes away, he
no longer has a body. Question is not valid.

Regards

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>  Namaste Sri Kalyan Ji,
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>  Reg  << But
>  deep sleep
>  implies liberation, albeit
>  temporarily.
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>  response to Sri Bhaskar
>  Ji’s observation “ When
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>  sushuptAvasthA has been observed from biased view
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>   waking state sushupti
>  is linked with tama.  When the
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>  witnessed without any prejudices and
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>  to waking state then in sushupti jeeva
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>  I like your
>  answer. Thanks.
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>  itself lies the resolution
>  to your question.
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>  question arises why is
>  “liberation temporary”  (your quote
>  above) (limited to deep sleep state), and “in sushupti
>  jiva is mukta” (from Sri
>  Bhaskar Ji’s quote) (mukti being limited to sushupti
>  only). Once a jiva is “liberated”
>  or “mukta” it should be permanent only. Sidhanta is that
>  jiva is always “liberated/mukta”
>  only. Problem is he is not aware of it. Sushupti is proof of
>  it.
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>  The
>  “liberated” or “mukta”
>  state in Sushupti is presented to show that it (liberation
>  or mukti) is not
>  something  to be attained afresh but is
>  the jiva’s svarupa or nature. He is equally so in the
>  other two states of
>  jagrat/svapna as well.  But it is more
>  difficult to notice it because of  the
>  diversion provided by other things in those states. In
>  Sushupti these
>  diversions are absent and hence the jiva gets to have a
>  glimpse of the nature
>  of his true svarupa. Yet he is unable to identify it
>  distinctly because he is
>  still not aware of it. That this  is so is
>  proved  by your own quotes above, namely
>  “liberation
>  temporary”  (your quote above) (limited
>  to deep sleep state), and “in sushupti jiva is mukta”
>  (from Sri Bhaskar Ji’s
>  quote) (mukti being limited to sushupti only). Thereby you
>  are yourself conceding
>  that the jiva though being Brahman in sushupti
>   is yet unaware of it. That is exactly what is
>  meant by presence of “ajnAna” or “ignorance” in
>  Sushupti. Had he been aware of
>  it, he would have been “liberated/mukta” permanently.
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>  concerned that this is  the tAtparya or
>  final conclusion of the analysis of Sushupti state is
>  presented in 4-3-34.
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