[Advaita-l] Sleep, tamas and brahman

[sreenivasa murthy]

Dear Sri Venkataraghavan,

    In these arguements of yours they are completely pervaded 
    by SuSkatarka (logic). In the light of the SrutyanugrhItatarka (reasoning)  
    or anuBavAnusAritarka which  Sri Shankara employs in his arguments to 
    establish the teachings of the Upanishads pertaining to  the true nature of 
   Atman as the facts of life which are verifiable , I fear, 
   the arguments employed in the various  postings including yours 
   do not hold any water.
  
   Kindly refer to Sri Shakara's introduction to the beginning 
   of chapter IV brAhmaNa 3 wherein he has clearly shown 
  the purpose for which avasthAtrayaprakriya has to be 
  undertaken by a mumukshu.
With this I close and I  do not wish to engage any more in these highly scholastic discussions. Thanking you,

With respectful namaskars,
Sreenivasa Murhy
   

    On Tuesday, 1 May, 2018, 2:29:57 PM IST, Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:  
 
 Namaste Sri Sreenivasa,
Do you agree that the multiplicity seen in the world is because of
ignorance or not? If you do not, then the multiplicity is real and advaita
is untenable. Thus, it must be out of ignorance that multiplicity is seen.

Do you have anubhava of multiplicity in deep sleep? If you do, then what
you are considering deep sleep is not what I am referring to. Thus, the
deep sleep is a state where one experiences nothing. Thus, if you agree
avidyA is the cause of multiplicity, and there is no multiplicity
experienced in deep sleep, either a) there must be no avidyA in deep sleep,
or b) the faculties of experience are subdued or c) there is no
multiplicity because avidyA's ability to project multiplicity is subdued.

That is the inference that one must draw if one considers the problem
logically.

Your question: "Who is the entity that is present in sushupti to witness
that condition of avidya? Is it a fact of life which can be verified by one
and all?", while a useful one, is not pertinent to this discussion. That
the Atma is the witness of all three states is accepted by me too. You are
free to bring it up, but to clarify, no one is denying it.

Regards,
Venkatraghavan

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 8:12 AM, sreenivasa murthy via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Dear Sri Venktaraghavan,
> Pranams to you.
>
> You write :"If avidyA were absent, he could have said so - so he
> acknowledges its
> presence, but says that its power to manifest difference is temporarily
> subdued."
> I have a doubt here : has anybody seen avidya with its power to manifest
> is temporarily subdued? Is it your anuBava? Who is the entity that  is
> present in sushupti to witness that condition of avidya? Is it a fact of
> life which can be verified by one and all?
>
> I request you kindly to ponder over these questions with an open mind.
> A reply from your end clarifying the above points will be gratefully
> received.
>
> I am neither for or against "avidya in sushupti". I am for Atman who
> illumines everything including vidya and avidya who is present in sushupti
> untouched either by the presence or absence of any thing alien to HIM.
>
> With respectful namaskars,Sreenivasa Murthy.
>
>
>
>
>
>    On Tuesday, 1 May, 2018, 12:16:51 PM IST, Venkatraghavan S via
> Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>  Namaste,
> Nice thread and references.
> One point from Subbuji's post that drew my attention: in the BUB 4.3.32,
> Shankaracharya says:
> यत्र पुनः सा अविद्या सुषुप्ते वस्त्वन्तरप्रत्युपस्थापिका शान्ता, तेन
> अन्यत्वेन
> अविद्याप्रविभक्तस्य वस्तुनः अभावात्
> The verbs used in the bhAShya above are telling. In describing avidyA in
> deep sleep, Shankara says सुषुप्ते अविद्या *शान्ता* - that is, in deep
> sleep, avidyA is pacified/ dormant, whereas the objects that appear
> different from oneself are absent  अन्यत्वेन
> अविद्याप्रविभक्तस्य वस्तुनः *अभावात्*.
> If avidyA were absent, he could have said so - so he acknowledges its
> presence, but says that its power to manifest difference is temporarily
> subdued.
>
> Regards,
> Venkatraghavan
>
>
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