[Advaita-l] In praise of ISKCON?!

V Subrahmanian v.subrahmanian at gmail.com
Sat May 19 03:49:52 EDT 2018

On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Sujal Upadhyay <sujal.u at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pranams,
> Thank you for sharing info Shri Subbu ji,
> When any Swami ji of VaiShNava sampradAya is giving discourse in public,
> they generally tend to avoid controversy.

We often come across incidents where Vaishnava Sampradaya svamis or
scholars behaving in the most reprehensible ways:

They ask a screen to be put to cover a Shiva shrine where they are invited
to lecture.

They object to a picture of Shankaracharya in the premises where they have
come to deliver a talk.

I heard about these from persons who were present when these incidents took

Unless they grow into maturity by mending their awful behaviour in public,
such bigoted elements will always pose a danger to civil society.


> They also know that if we keep criticizing each other, already un-united
> Hindus will suffer more and other religions (Christianity and Islam) and
> leftists/Communists will take advantage of it.
> In foreign land, Hindus are in minority, so they have to be united.
> OM
> Sujal
> On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 1:29 PM, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> An Upanishadic Advaitic Etymology for ‘Nr-simha’
>> The NrsimhaTāpinyupaniṣat has given an etymology to the terms ‘Nr-simha’.
>> Shankara has brought out the purport of this etymology, which occurs as
>> part of the famous Nrsimha Mantra Rāja:
>> ॐ उग्रं वीरं महाविष्णुं ज्वलन्तं सर्वतोमुखम्।
>> नृसिंहं भीषणं भद्रं मृत्युमृत्युं नमाम्यहम् ॥
>> An article that brings out all this and also several other aspects
>> important to Advaita, such as māyā-avidyā identity, is available here for
>> download:
>> http://www.mediafire.com/file/d1va1ahtczbdd19/The_etymology_
>> for_the_word_nrsimha_A
>> regards
>> On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 12:46 PM, V Subrahmanian <
>> v.subrahmanian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 12:20 PM, Sujal Upadhyay via Advaita-l <
>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>> Pranams Shri Bhaskar Prabhu ji,
>>>> Not just ISKCONites but some Gaudiya-s too. I had discussion with him.
>>>> He
>>>> doesn't like ISKCON's way of preaching. He said, you advaitins
>>>> out-rightly
>>>> reject Krishna's form as illusion and mithyA. I asked him have you read
>>>> Sankara Bhashya? He said no. Then I quoted some sloka-s randomly from
>>>> Gita
>>>> Bhashya. Finally, I said if veda-s are an authority for Advaitin, if
>>>> Gita
>>>> is an essence of vedanta, then how can Krishna be Illusion. He could not
>>>> reply. Then I said, we accept even jivahood, but only in aJYAna (as
>>>> said in
>>>> chandogya upanishad Bhashya 6.5.xx or maybe 7.1.xx while explaining food
>>>> being divided into 3 parts - gross, medium and sutble). He then said, -
>>>> ok,
>>>> but you consider form of God as inferior. I simply replied, that is
>>>> different from 'out-rightly rejecting a form and calling it as an
>>>> illusion'. Also know that we do revere forms of God as they are
>>>> inseparable
>>>> from Brahman, however, we do not consider it as last step. Last step is
>>>> to
>>>> completely loose one's identity. Whatever exists is Brahman only. So
>>>> NirguNa, nikArAkAra Brahman is our ultimate goal. Even Yoga is
>>>> practised by
>>>> many advaitins, infact yoga and advaita used to go hand in hand. We see
>>>> it
>>>> in daily prANAyama practice that Brahmins do like anuloma viloma.
>>>> Bhakti is
>>>> the foundation of any spiritual practice. Without faith, everything is
>>>> mechanical.
>>> At the very beginning of the bhashya (said to be of Shankara) for the
>>> Nrsimha Tapini Upanishad, it is said: saakaara brahman is taken up as the
>>> upaaya for realizing the niraakaara brahman.
>>> Thus, the formed-deity is a support for the aspirant to reach the
>>> formless Truth.
>>> regards
>>> subbu

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