[Advaita-l] HH Sri Paramananda Bharathi Swamiji attained mukti

[Jayakumar]

Dear members,
Namaste to all.
I understand from my ‘screen reader software’ that discussions are going on in our group with the subject ‘H S Sri Paramananda bharathi Swami attain mukti’. Please apologise me for deviating from the group’s main discussion under this subject. 

I came to know from some of  the senior members of our advaita group about the swamiji’s deep scientific background and his talks  (‘Causality, Vedanta & Science in the website : ‘mahaparivrajaka’) on Vedanta referring to scientific reasoning scientific laws and findings. 

In our ‘Sai Paduka Yoga & Spiritual Study Center’ at Bangalore, We have systematic discussions on ‘spiritual facts’  taking scientific and logical support and  on regular and consistent learning, it really helps Some students of our center as is reported by them in the public websites.

Therefore in this regard, I request our learned members to throw light  or guide me the resources (links, websites, scholars, books with details etc, if any) on the following subject of the ‘creation’ of  apparent or super-imposed universe of the transactional reality in the Consciousness of the higher absolute reality.

I am trying to get scientific  / logical support or reasoning to substantiate the ‘origination’  or appearance or to explain the sequential or simultaneous appearance :  Consciousness or AWARENESS PRINCIPLE, (Power of Consciousness, Unified force), FOUR FUNDEMENTAL INTERACTIONS or FORCES, EXPRESSION OF VARIOUS TYPES OF ENERGIES, (subtle matters in the form of five great subtle elements, Grossification), FIVE GROSS ELEMENTS.
Terms in capitals are accepted cognitively &/or scientifically &/or logically. Terms within brackets in the above sentence seem to have no scientific proofs or explanation. 

My request or requirement is only for explaining the appearance of universe scientifically or logically  to my students without giving  examples such as dream, mirage water, rope snake etc..

I request those members who want to respond may please call me for obvious reasons.

Regards,
Jayakumar
Mobile : 9916494729


-----Original Message-----
From: Advaita-l [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org] On Behalf Of Sudhanshu Shekhar via Advaita-l
Sent: 02 August 2019 23:45
To: kuntimaddi sadananda; A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
Cc: Sudhanshu Shekhar
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] HH Sri Paramananda Bharathi Swamiji attained mukti

Hari Om Praveen ji,

The way I used A's effect is not in the sense of effect of material cause.
Just take A=Brahma-jnAna and B= A's effect = ~shoka-moha. It will make sense and argument remains valid. A=>B and ~B=>~A.

Regards.
Sudhanshu.

On Fri 2 Aug, 2019, 20:36 kuntimaddi sadananda via Advaita-l, < advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

>
>     On Friday, August 2, 2019, 07:31:57 AM PDT, Praveen R. Bhat via 
> Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> Since the AvaraNa is said to be eliminated, it has to exist to be 
> eliminated; in that, it was necessarily bhAvarUpa. In such a case, its 
> kAraNa cannot be abhAvarUpa.
> Praveenji - PraNAms
> My understanding may be wrong. Bavaruupatvam requires not just 
> existence but should have a capacity to project.
> If someone asks me ' Do you know gaagaabuubu?"
>  I can say -never heard of it. I do not know what it is? - response by 
> my mind? - at this stage only aavarana due to avidya. When someone 
> points to object on the floor that I also see, and he says that is 
> 'gaagaabuubu'. Now the ignorance of gaagaabuubu is gone. At this 
> stage, there is no vikshepa involved. - only the naama aspect is established - just one example.
> Projection can start only if have some partial knowledge of an object 
> but not complete knowledge as it - there is an object there - 5 feet 
> long - coiled - soft when I stopped on it and is lying on the aisle. 
> 'There is (something)' - the projection of the mind viskhepa later as 
> it is a snake, etc.
> Question is only do we attribute the vikshepa shakti to avidya or to 
> the mind which is empowered by maaya shakti at the individual level to 
> project the snake on the object that is perceived with incomplete attributes?
> Lack of knoweldge is one thing but projection of something else where 
> the object is different  -to separate the aavarana vs vishepa - or 
> ignorance vs maaya.
> This may be samantics but separation makes it easy to comprehend that 
> muula avidya is gone but projection continues for a jeevan mukta as 
> long as BMI losts.
> Hari Om!Sadananda
>
>
>
>
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