[Advaita-l] No Parinama in Brahman says Shankara Bhagavatpada

[V Subrahmanian]

On Wed, 26 Jun 2019, 21:32 Sudhanshu Shekhar via Advaita-l, <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Venkataraghavan ji,
>
> What do you mean by "it is denied"? If the appearance and the seer is
> hare's horn, then it is not possible because hare's horn cannot have even
> an appearance. If the appearance and seer are mithyA i.e.
> sat-asat-vilakshaNa, then it implies change. There is no appearance without
> involving change.


None can succeed in proving  the rope undergoes a change when someone
imagines a snake in it.

Regards
subbu





Just by saying "it is denied" in siddhAnta, the objection
> of existence of change is not obviated.
>
> I am surprised that people do not have this problem. May be I am really a
> manda-dhi with lot of impurity of mind.
>
> Sudhanshu.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:32 PM Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Sudhanshuji,
> > Even the explanation that it is an appearance only a provisional one. It
> > is merely a step to get the student to accept that the world is not real.
> > So don't take it as siddhAnta. It's only if you believe it is the
> ultimate
> > reality will the question "how did the appearance come about in the
> absence
> > of change" will arise.
> >
> > The appearance of the world and the seer who sees that appearance, are
> > also part of the  world which is being denied.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Venkatraghavan
> >
> > On Wed, 26 Jun 2019, 08:46 Sudhanshu Shekhar, <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Venkataraghavan ji,
> >>
> >> Can appearance come about without change? There are two things.
> >> Changeless and appearance which is sought to be stated as non-existent.
> How
> >> even the appearance can come about without change. And that change
> cannot
> >> be of the appearance because appearance is a result of change.
> >>
> >> I think I have explained my problem quite clearly. I have broken my head
> >> over this issue for years without any convincing solution.
> >>
> >> Sudhanshu.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:10 PM Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yes Bhaskar ji. This is the ajAti vAda of mANDUkya kArika.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Venkatraghavan
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 8:23 AM Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> praNAms
> >>>>
> >>>> Hare Krishna
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Reminds me kArika 2-32, na nirOdhO na chOtpattiH, there is neither
> >>>> creation nor dissolution, ……this is the whole truth ityesha paramArthA
> >>>> 😊  To realize the changeless I reckon we cling to only neti neti
> >>>> supporting shruti and bhAshya vAkya-s.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> >>>>
> >>>> bhaskar
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 6) There is no world.
> >>>>
> >>>> 7) There is no creator.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> What remains? That is the thing.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
> >
>
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