[Advaita-l] Two Advaitic verses with a profound combined purport

Venkatraghavan S agnimile at gmail.com
Fri Mar 22 08:58:05 EDT 2019

Namaste Bhaskar ji
We have discussed this many times in the past, and we know each other's
positions well also.

In the statement jIvo brahmaiva nApara:, the term jIva is referring to the
upalakshya chaitanya, with mind or avidyA as the upalakshaNa.

The term jagat in the statement jaganmithyA, refers to the sthUla sUkshma
kAraNa prapancha, which again, is the upalakshaNa for chaitanya.

In both cases, the upalakshaNa is mithyA, and the upalakshya is satya.


On Fri, 22 Mar 2019, 10:36 Bhaskar YR, <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:

> praNAms Sri Venkatraghavan prabhuji
> Hare Krishna
> In the first Sloka, if the anvaya of तदेव is done with नित्यं, as in
> नित्यं तदेव then the eva-kAra can be indicative of jagan mithyA also.
> If that alone is nitya, ergo, the rest are not nitya, and hence mithyA.
> >  Just could not resist, jihvA chApalyaM 😊 the nityatvaM has been
> attributed to parApara prakruti as well, the synonym used for mAya /
> prakruti is aksharaM and the same has been used to indicate brahman as
> well, hence prakruti / mAya is pariNAmi nitya.  It is there with Ishwara
> before and after dissolution in avyakta / avyAkruta rUpa and it is there
> even now in vyakta / vyAkruta rUpa.  (avyaktAdeeni bhUtAni, vyakta madhyAni
> and again avyakta nidhnAnaiva says lord..So, this is pariNAmi nitya jagat
> can not be mithyA it is pariNAmi nitya only.  If at all we say this jagat
> what we perceiving through our mind is mithyA then that perceiving mind
> itself mithyA  or does not exist like external objects.  And without mind
> (upAdhi) we cannot imagine jeevatvaM as well, so jeeva here is also mithyA
> or talamalanAdi parikalpitaM.  We have either one of the  options here I
> reckon, you have to agree both jeeva and jagat mithyA or both jeeva and
> jagat in their kAraNa rUpameva satyaM.  We cannot say one is satya another
> is mithyA when both are external objects only.  You know all this, but I am
> tempted to say this again 😊
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar

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