[Advaita-l] Is empathy a function of ahamkara?

[H S Chandramouli]

<< On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 2:07 PM श्रीमल्ललितालालितः via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

<< Milk is not upAdAna-kAraNa of curd, it's avayava-s are >>,

Pranams.

Ok. What is the upAdAna kAraNa of milk or curd? Can we take it as पञ्चीकृत
पञ्चभूताः (pa~nchIkRRita pa~nchabhUtAH) or go back still further to
avidyA?  Even so the relationship between them and avidyA is one of
kArya-kAraNa and not tadAtmya as per Advaita SidhAnta.

Regards



On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 4:08 PM श्रीमल्ललितालालितः <
lalitaalaalitah at lalitaalaalitah.com> wrote:

> Just replace the word samavAyI with upAdAna and change the relation from
> samavAya to tAdAtmya.
> There is no other difference.
>
>
>
> On Sat, 8 Aug 2020, 14:38 H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Pranams.
>>
>> Reg  <<  The difference in quality of Milk and curd must be defined
>> because of the difference of asamavAyI-kAraNa >>,
>>
>> I think your response is from the nyAya viewpoint since you keep on
>> bringingup samavAyi and asamavAyi kASraNa. Advaita Sidhanta does not
>> conform to the nyAya view in this regard. It accepts the mImAmsa (bhAtta)
>> view. My responses are from that viewpoint.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 2:07 PM श्रीमल्ललितालालितः via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>> > *श्रीमल्ललितालालितः*www.lalitaalaalitah.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > The answer is a clear NO. As per Advaita SidhAnta, vyAvahArika
>> entities
>> > > (kaaryas) can and do have a kArya-kAraNa sambandha with their upAdAna
>> > > kAraNam in many cases.
>> >
>> >
>> > kArya-kAraNa-bhAva is not a relation.
>> > You need another relation from those which are clearly defined by others
>> > and accepted or corrected by vedAntin-s.
>> >
>> > > Cause and Effect sambandha.Not necessarily always
>> > > tAdAtmya sambandha. Milk transforming into curds is one such case.
>> >
>> >
>> > I appreciate that you presented your views here. It has helped me
>> > understand from where your perception arises.
>> > Milk is not upAdAna-kAraNa of curd, it's avayava-s are. And they are
>> still
>> > undestroyed. The difference in quality of Milk and curd must be defined
>> > because of the difference of asamavAyI-kAraNa.
>> >
>> > > They do
>> > > not exist simultaneously at the same time. They are observed or
>> > experienced
>> > > separately from each other.
>> >
>> >
>> > This observation is correct, but doesn't apply to the upAdAna which is
>> > common to Milk and Curd, both.
>> >
>> > > TadAtmya sambandha is spoken of only in those
>> > > cases where two entities originate simultaneously from an identical
>> > cause.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Half correct.
>> > No need for things to be generated simultaneously.
>> > Red and Black color arising at different times in the same pot have
>> > tAdAtmya.
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