[Advaita-l] Abedha

[Kaushik Chevendra]

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020, 04:27 Srinath Vedagarbha via Advaita-l, <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste,
>
> I am quite delighted to see you have studied Madhva's Mahabharta Tatparya
> Nirnaya (MBTN).
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 12:01 PM V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Some questions arise:
> >
> > How can someone who has attained andham tamas be reborn?
> >
>
> > How and when were those reborn in Kali (after having been sent to andham
> > tamas by Bhima) sent to 'even greater andham tamas' for their propagating
> > MaayaavAda?
> >
>
> My understanding is that actual attainment is not until end of Brahma
> kalpa. There is no such thing as "jivan-mukthi" in the siddhAnta.
>
> Vayu Purana as quoted by Sri Sankarshana Odayaru (in Dvaita tradition)
>
>   muktiyogyAnAM tu yalliN^gaM virajAtaraNAvadhi
>   tamoyogyAnAM tu yalliN^gaM gadayA vyapohati
>   nityasaMsAriNAM tu yalliN^gaM hUN^kAreNa vinashyati |
>
> For muktiyogya jIvA-s, lingadEha stays till virajA river. For tamoyogya-s,
> it is removed by gadAprahAra by vAyu, and for nityasaMsAri-s, it is
> destroyed by hUN^kAra
> by vAyudeva."
>
>
> >
> > Did MaNimAn take the snake form after having been sent to that greater
> > andham tamas or before?
> >
>
> Again, in my limited understanding is that ManNimAn will be doing his so
> called "sAdhana" till the end of this kalpa. I may be subjected to
> correction.

How did he escape the andam tamas in the first place? Isn't it a permanent
hell?

>
> >
> >
> > Also, the MBTN says that those demonical ones killed by Bhima were
> jealous
> > of the genuine devotees of Vishnu and pleased Shiva by their tapas and
> were
> > born (to spread the Maayaavaada) and they were born in Brahmin families.
> > How can asura-s of such taamasic nature as having deserved death in the
> > hands of Bhima and having gone to andham tamas have the power to choose
> > their birth? Is not birth due to one's karma?
> >
>
> That is so in the ordinary sense. As long as there is a boon (or shApa),
> the birth is determined. Also look at it from a different perspective --
> the very karma they did (doing tapas and getting boon from Rudra)
> determined their next birth. But the very intention behind doing such
> karama is based on their svarUpa (of keep wishing/doing evil). Given that
> Parabrahman is quite impartial to anybody, enables their wish.
>
Why will vishnu help the asuras to spread evil. Isn't the whole point of
asuras hating vishnu because he stops their plans.?

>
>
>
> >
> > Also, is there any mention of these, the attainment of andham tamas by
> > those killed in the Saugandhikavana and their reincarnation in Kali,
> their
> > tapas to please Shiva, etc. in the Mahabharata?
> >
> >
> I will dig into that.
>
> /sv
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