[Advaita-l] Please clarify some terms for me.

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste Soma Ji,

AvaraNa is not of the mind, but of Consciousness enclosed or limited by the
mind. In deep sleep, mind resolves into its Cause (kAraNa),  avidyA. Then
AvaraNa is of Consciousness enclosed or limited by this avidyA. This avidyA
is also termed kAraNa sharIra. Since you have mentioned that you are
specifically referring to DDV only, please mention where in DDV, in which
verse, is AvaraNa of mind  mentioned.
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On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 11:02 AM Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> > One last nuance is that, although AvaraNa is 'a priori' to the mind,
> > still, it is removed by a waking mental vRtti called the vidyA vRtti
> > through shravaNa, manana, nidhidhyaasanam. So for all practical purposes
> we
> > have to work with the waking mind which is the gateway to AvaraNa. So
> > AvaraNa does have a special relation to the mind.
> >
> > You can use the dream analogy again. In the dream, a dream guru has to
> > come and give upadesha to that dream body-mind to wake you up saying "you
> > are ignorant of your true nature as the waker etc. You are That etc." and
> > the dream guru may well pour a bucket of dream water on the dream body,
> if
> > necessary to wake him up.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 14 Aug, 2020, 9:35 AM Raghav Kumar Dwivedula, <
> > raghavkumar00 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Namaste Soma ji
> >> The word AvaraNa is the 'veiling power' of avidyA and it does indeed
> >> continue in deep sleep. AvaraNa, please note, is not there "in" the
> mind.
> >> AvaraNa does not need the mind to exist. Rather this entity called
> 'mind'
> >> is an effect or consequence of AvaraNa and vixepa.
> >>
> >> A helpful way of visualising this is by the dream analogy. Within a
> dream
> >> there is a dream body and dream mind and dream mountains etc. The
> knowledge
> >> that "I am in reality the waking person lying on the bed, is
> veiled/blocked
> >> in the dream." This veil/block cannot be said to restricted to the being
> >> 'within' the dream mind. Rather the dream mind is also part of the dream
> >> world itself. And the entire dream world (including dream body and dream
> >> mind and dream mountains) are a projection born of AvaraNa and vixepa
> >> capacity which belongs to the *waker*.
> >>
> >> Now coming to the waker himself. His mind, body and external world
> >> experienced by him are all projected due to the vixepa shakti aspect of
> >> avidyA.
> >>
> >> That is why I had written that we should not think the waking mind has a
> >> certain defect/lacuna called AvarANa. Rather the waking mind itself
> would
> >> not have got created/projected but for AvaraNa which continues in deep
> >> sleep.
> >>
> >> You can also use another logic. If there was no mind in deep sleep. How
> >> or why did we wake up at all? Some dormant capacity was there even in
> deep
> >> sleep which leads to a waking mind and waking world arising/getting
> >> projected from that condition of  "no-mind-deep-sleep".
> >> Om
> >> Raghav
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, 13 Aug, 2020, 7:53 PM smallpress, <smallpress at ymail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Very interesting thought, Raghav. If no mind in sushupti, which seems
> >>> right,  how can there be avarana?
> >>> Kindly clarify.
> >>> Thank you.
> >>>
> >>> On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 06:30:51 AM EDT, Raghav Kumar Dwivedula
> >>> via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Namaste Soma
> >>>
> >>> http://www.advaita.org.uk/discourses/teachers/maya_hudli.htm
> >>>
> >>> On AvaraNa and vikShepa, please see the above link
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The *mind itself* is a part of the projected World. So we don't say the
> >>> mind "has" AvaraNa etc. Maybe you are already clear about this. But
> >>> thought
> >>> I would reiterate this.
> >>>
> >>> In deep sleep, there is no manifestation of the mind or world. No
> >>> vikShepa
> >>> is present. But AvaraNa is still there.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Soma
> >>>
> >>> >
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