[Advaita-l] Why did Brahman create the world?

V Subrahmanian v.subrahmanian at gmail.com
Sat Feb 1 21:29:02 EST 2020

Very interesting insights. However, avidya, rather its effects, is
experienced in the antahkaraNam.  And the remedy is to generate vidya
(vritti) in the antahkaranam alone. In the Vivekachudamani the idea '
कार्यनाशात्  कारणनाशः' is taught, though with respect to the vāsanā
management. Yet, this is universally true.  In the Bh.Gita bhashya famous
dialogue on 'Whose is avidya?' also is pertinent in this discussion. Since
avidya is experienced as 'vishaya' by the Vishayi the sakshi, it clearly
comes out as anaatmaa. Thus we have avidya being experienced in its kaarya,
the antahkaranam.

Sri MDS once gave a verse which says:  The pot, though gets produced in
space, even as the process is on, a pot-space too gets produced.

So the antahkaranam, jiva, even while gets produced, in/due to  avidya,
also has the 'space' for avidya in it.    This, of course, is not the same
as 'antahkaranam/jiva being the vishaya for avidya.'   Avidya, still,
conceals the muula Brahman, which is why jiva experiences paricchinnataa,
etc. that are characters of samsara.  But this concealment is to be
addressed, by default, only on the arena of antahkaranam where alone it is

warm regards

On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 1:43 AM Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Yes, that is true. In the third chapter of the naiShkarmyasiddhi,
> sureshvarAchArya says:
> तच्चाज्ञानं स्वात्ममात्र निमित्तं न संभवतीति कस्यचित्कस्मिंश्चिद्विषये
> भवतीत्यभ्युपगन्तव्यम् । इह च पदार्थद्वयं निर्द्धारितमात्मानात्मा च ।
> तत्रानात्मनस्तावन्नाज्ञानेनाभिसंबन्धः । तस्य हि स्वरूपमेवाज्ञानं न हि
> स्वतोऽज्ञानस्याज्ञानं घटते । संभवदप्यज्ञानस्वभावेऽज्ञानं कमतिशयं जनयेत् ।
> न च तत्र ज्ञानप्राप्तिरस्ति येन तत्प्रतिषेधात्मकमज्ञानं स्यात् ।
> अनात्मनश्चाज्ञानप्रसूतत्त्वात् । न हि पूर्वसिद्धं सत्ततोलब्धात्मलाभस्य
> सेत्स्यत आश्रयस्याश्रयि संभवति । तदनपेक्षस्य च तस्य निस्स्वभावत्वात् ।
> Ignorance cannot exist in itself / for itself - it always must be someone's
> and about something. We have established (that there can be only) two
> categories - the self and the non-self. Ignorance cannot belong to the
> non-self, for ignorance is its (the non-self's) very nature, and ignorance
> cannot experience ignorance by itself. Even if it was possible, what can
> the rise of ignorance in ignorance bring about? Nor can knowledge arise
> there (in the non-self), for it to remove an ignorance located there.
> Further, non-self is born from ignorance. A thing whose existence is
> dependent on a logically precedent thing cannot be the locus of that (the
> very thing that it is dependent upon). It has no aspect independent of it.
> Regards,
> Venkatraghavan
> On Sat, 1 Feb 2020, 11:08 Praveen R. Bhat, <bhatpraveen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks, Subbuji, Venkatji,
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 2:48 PM Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> >> There is a Sloka from the samkshepa shAriraka that captures both ideas -
> >> that the effect not only cannot be the locus of the cause and that it
> >> cannot grasp / know the cause:
> >>
> >> आश्रयत्वविषयत्वभागिनी निर्विभागचितिरेव केवला ।
> >> पूर्वसिद्धतमसो हि पश्चिमो *नाश्रयो भवति नापि गोचरः॥*
> >>
> >
> > There is something similar in Naishkarmyasiddhi if memory serves me
> right.
> >
> > Kind rgds,
> > --Praveen R. Bhat
> > /* येनेदं सर्वं विजानाति, तं केन विजानीयात्। Through what should one know
> > That owing to which all this is known! [Br.Up. 4.5.15] */
> >
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