[Advaita-l] Fwd: Omnipresence

[Kaushik Chevendra]

Regarding brahman existing in begining. Svethavastaraha Upanishad says that
tamas alone was there in begining no other dependent realities either.
Regards

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From: Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Sat 25 Jul, 2020, 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Omnipresence
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Namaste

The Dvaitis say Ishwara is the One and Only Independent Reality. The world
and souls are also real but they are Dependent Reality. If the Srutis say
Brahman was only existing in the beginning it means  Brahman the
Independent was existing. But the world and souls were also existing along
with Brahman as Dependent realities.

Kindly study the Paradhina Visesapti Vada of Dvaita to see more details.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 10:45 PM Kaushik Chevendra via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Narayana upanishad says only narayana existed in beginning. If the souls
> are seperate and eternal there exists something else other than narayana.
> This contradicta shruti.
>
> On Fri, 24 Jul 2020, 22:00 Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > Namaste
> >
> > The Acharya of Dvaitis has accepted only the Nimitta Karanatva of
> Ishwara.
> > That means the world did not spring out of Ishvara's body. The Jeevas
are
> > always separate from Ishvara and Jada is separate from Jeeva and
Ishwara.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *jiiveshvara bheda chaiva jadeshvara bheda tatha |jiiva-bhedo
> mithashchaiva
> > jaDa-jiiva-bheda tatha |mithashcha jada-bhedo.ayam prapajncho
> > bheda-panchakaH ||– paramashruti*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *“The difference between the jîva (soul) and Îshvara (Creator),and the
> > difference between jaDa (insentient) and Îshvara;and the difference
> between
> > various jîvas, and the difference between jaDa and jîva;and the
> difference
> > between various jaDas.”*
> >
> > *-Paramopanishad*
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 8:32 PM Kaushik Chevendra via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> > > In dvaita philosophy there is a difference between jiva, isvara,
> matter,
> > > doesn't this compromise the omnipresence of isvara.
> > > If isvara alone existed in beginning and nothing else how was matter
> > > created in dvaita philosophy? He has to create matter from himself
only
> > as
> > > nothing else existed.
> > > What is the dvaitas reply to the above questions?
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