[Advaita-l] The language Sanskrit / Veda maNtra and Ishwara Sakshaatkaara / brahma jnAna

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste
I read somewhere the Antyajas or Chandalas and Mlecchas can also worship
God but without Mantras and mentally only. They may not say even Purana
Mantras. Many people in modern society are like that. They only do Mooka
Pooja. No words are there . God is accepting even this. But eligible Dvijas
should not do this type of Mooka Pooja. Thry must learn and do proper Pooja.

The lesson is God is interested in Mano Bhaava but not empty ritualistic
Pooja with Mind wandering here and there and not focusing on God.



On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:21 PM V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Bhaskar ji,
>
> If we look at the Bhakti angle, Ishwara is pleased with the language of the
> heart rather than the tongue.  We have this famous shloka:
>
> मूर्खो वदति विष्णाय विद्वान् वदति विष्णवे। उभयोः सदृशं पुण्यं भावग्राही
> जनार्दनः।।
>
> The unlearned says 'Vishnaaya' while the scholar says 'Vishnave'. For both
> the same punyam occurs as Ishwara is bhaavagraahi.
>
> Azhwars, Shaiva Saints, Haridasa-s have obtained the grace of Ishwara by
> opening their heart through their own language.  However, those who have
> Vedadhikara aught to learn it for adrushta.  They are not prohibited from
> expressing devotion in their chosen tongue. Surdas, Kabir, Meera, etc. have
> composed songs that melt the heart.
>
> regards
> subbu
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 3:53 PM Bhaskar YR via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > praNAms
> > Hare Krishna
> >
> > I was engaging in a discussion with whatsapp group with regard to Kannada
> > article wherein it has been mentioned that the temple authorities
> adopting
> > the new method of doing archana, pooja, saMkalpa, prArthana etc.  to the
> > presiding deity  in a local language,  in this case Kannada.   To
> > propitiate the any deity or to do daily pooja, archana, chanting dhyAna
> > shloka during the pooja  the Sanskrit language is a must, the usage of
> > veda mantra-s as per vaidikAgama is mandatory?? This is my doubt after
> > reading opposing views with regard to this 'new method'.    Is there any
> > injunction with regard to usage of only Sanskrit language in the form of
> > veda mantra / shloka / stotra  or prohibition with regard to usage of any
> > other language other than Sanskrit ??  I don't think using the veda
> > mantra-s for doing the devatArchana is a must since in non-dvija-s houses
> > pooja archana being performed using / chanting only puraNOkta stotra-s.
> > For example, during the Navagraha aaraadhana, for sUrya graha we use
> japaa
> > Kusuma saMkAshaM ityAdi shloka instead of veda mantra i.e. asatyena
> rajasa
> > in Yajurveda or akrushNena rajasa in Rig...likewise for each and every
> > graha, paNchaayatana devata we use shloka / stotra not veda mantra
> because
> > the non-dvija-s (shUdra-s, in particular) are not eligible to even listen
> > to the svarayukta veda mantra-s.  And now, with this can we conclude that
> > to propitiate Ishwara / saguNa brahman / kArya brahman/ sOpAdhika brahman
> > veda mantra-s are not must but even shloka and stotra-s would serve the
> > purpose??  And with the same devotion / shraddha if a bhakta does the
> pooja
> > to Ishta devata by chanting the dhyAna, stotra, bhajana in his own
> language
> > the sAkshAtkAra of Ishwara is possible !!??  If no, then there is a big
> > barrier between bhakta/his bhAva and bhagavanta in the form of
> > language...If No Sanskrit shloka, no Veda mantra then there is no
> > possibility of having the darshana of bhagavanta.  And if I add to my
> > doubts,  the person who does not know that there is a language called
> > sAnskrit nor aware that there exists scriptures / shAstra called
> > vedOpanishats and saNskrit mahAvakya-s like ahaM brahmAsmi, tattvamasi
> etc.
> > whether he would get the realization after hearing / realizing the truth
> of
> > these vAkya-s in his own language??  Ofcourse if at all he is
> > samartha/adhikAri.  If the answer is yes ( the answer is YES only I
> think),
> > then we would justify this case and at the same time to protect the
> > traditional stand that shAstra (the scripture available in Sanskrit /
> > devanAgari) is the ONLY pramANa for the realization,  by saying  the
> pUrva
> > janma samskara would have fetched him that knowledge or since he knew the
> > Sanskrit mantra and shloka and did the sAdhana in one of his pUrva
> janma-s
> > he  got the final realization without the help of Sanskrit/vedOpanishat
> in
> > this janma.  But anyway knowing the Sanskrit language in general and
> > vedOpanishat dictums in originals is a must whether it is in this janma
> or
> > any other previous janma to realize or to get svarUpa jnana.  Is this the
> > traditional way of handling this doubt or am I missing something here!?
> >
> > Please educate.
> >
> > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> > bhaskar
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