[Advaita-l] A replica of Adhyasa Bhashya in the Gita Bhashya13.26 (V Subrahmanian)

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaskar.

Reg  << If ignorance with a capital "I" stands as a positive entity
comparable with another positive entity, chaitanya, that perverts all
advaita - two entities >>,

No sir. That is what advaita is all about. I have not said that the
ontological status of the two,Ignorance and Chaitanya, are same or
comparable. They are definitely different. Chaitanya has the ontological
status of “Satya” or “PAramArthika” while Ignorance has the ontological
status of “MithyA” or “vyAvahArika”.

Reg  << And if mithya gives ajnana an ontological status then Jnana will
not be able to eliminate an actually existing thing >>,

The ontological status of mithyA means it is of the nature of an appearance
of existence and not actually existing thing. It can be and is eliminated
by jnAna.

Reg  << If ignorance covers/veils Chaitanya then we are faced with the
paradox of knowledge compromised and powerless to overcome that which veils
it - I believe Ramanuja might have called that Tirodhananupapatti >>,

Sri Ramanujacharya might have said so. I have not studied his Darshana in
any great detail. We are discusiing Advaita Sidhanta. The covering or
veiling is from the standpoint of anything that is produced subsequently.
They will be unable to get a clear picture of Consciousness till the veil
is eliminated. That elimination is what is termed Realization in Advaita
Sidhanta.

Reg  << No, I think your explanation is a stretch and ignores
Bhagavatpada's statement that aviveka/indiscrimination is the cause of
mixing up the notions/pratyaya of I and you/subject and object >>,

This veiling is the fundamental cause of all samsAra and goes under the
term “Mula ajnAna” or “MulAjnAna”. This veiling is called its (Ignorance)
AvaraNa power.The same Ignorance has another power associated with it
termed VikshEpa power. It projects Consciousness, along with itself,  as
Creation (again with an ontological status same as that of itself, namely
mithyA), full of variety,heterogeneous though Consciousness itself is
Ekarasa,homogeneous. Aviveka/indiscrimination is the result of the above
veiling and is the cause of mixing up the notions/pratyaya of I and
you/subject and object.

Reg  << Indiscrimination certainly is not a positive ontological entity no
less than any other notion can be said to really exist - we have then have
to say that even dream tiger really exists >>,

I hope this has been answered above.
Regards

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 5:06 PM <mc1 at aol.com> wrote:

> aum, thank you for your thoughtful replies however my doubt remains. If
> ignorance with a capital "I" stands as a positive entity comparable with
> another positive entity, chaitanya, that perverts all advaita - two
> entities. If ignorance covers/veils Chaitanya then we are faced with the
> paradox of knowledge compromised and powerless to overcome that which veils
> it - I believe Ramanuja might have called that Tirodhananupapatti. And if
> mithya gives ajnana an ontological status then Jnana will not be able to
> eliminate an actually existing thing.
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> No, I think your explanation is a stretch and ignores Bhagavatpada's
> statement that aviveka/indiscrimination is the cause of mixing up the
> notions/pratyaya of I and you/subject and object. Indiscrimination
> certainly is not a positive ontological entity no less than any other
> notion can be said to really exist - we have then have to say that even
> dream tiger really exists.
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