[Advaita-l] GYAna-gata pratyaxa vs. viShayagata-pratyaxa

[Raghav Kumar Dwivedula]

Namaste Chandramouli ji

Thank you for your mail.

Om
Raghav



On Sun, 18 Jul, 2021, 1:01 pm H S Chandramouli, <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Raghav Ji,
>
> Reg  << 1. In 'bhUtale ghataH na', viShayagata-pratyaxatvaM condition is
> satisfied, you said, because antaHkaraNam vRtti extends to the viShaya
> desha. I am able to see that the text also asserts viShayagata-pratyaxatvaM
> is satisfied in anupalabdhi case due to pramAtR-abhinnatvaM condition being
> satisfied. But this brings me back to the *original question* of
>
> "When, if at all, is GYAnagata-pratyaxatvam condition met, even while
> viShayagata-pratyaxatva condition is *not* met?"
>
> 2. Is not the antaHkaraNa extending to viShaya seen in all cases of
> GYAnagata-pratyaxatvaM condition being met as well? >>,
>
> By definition, GYAnagata-pratyaxatvam implies condition of
>  viShayagata-pratyaxatva is met with. When condition of
>  viShayagata-pratyaxatva is  not met with, associated GYAna is categorized
> as parOxa.
>
> Reg  << Are sAxI-vedya cases of sukha etc. counted by VP as cases of
> GYAnagata-pratyaxa but not viShayagata-pratyaxa? Or does sukha etc also
> satisfy both the criteria of GYAnagata-pratyaxatvam and
> viShayagata-pratyaxatvaM? >>,
>
> This is explicitly answered in VP itself.  Sukha etc also satisfy both the
> criteria of GYAnagata-pratyaxatvam and viShayagata-pratyaxatvaM.
>
> << सुखाद्यवच्छिन्नचैतन्यस्य तद्वृत्त्यवच्छिन्नचैतन्यस्य च
> नियमेनैकदेशस्थितोपाधिद्वयावच्छिन्नत्वात् नियमेन "अहं सुखी" इत्यादिज्ञानस्य
> प्रत्यक्षत्वम्  >>
>
> <<  sukhAdyavachChinnachaitanyasya tadvRRittyavachChinnachaitanyasya cha
> niyamenaikadeshasthitopAdhidvayAvachChinnatvAt niyamena "ahaM sukhI"
> ityAdij~nAnasya pratyakShatvam  >>
>
> Translation (Swami Madhavananda)  << Again, since the Consciousness
> limited by happiness etc.  and the Consciousness limited by the mental
> state relating to them are invariably limited by the two limiting adjuncts
> that occupy the same space, the knowledge, “ I am happy, “ is invariably a
> perception >>.
>
> Regards
> Chandramouli
>
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> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 1:13 PM Raghav Kumar Dwivedula <
> raghavkumar00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Namaste Chandramouli ji
>> Thank you for your response.
>> I shall listen to the lecture of Sri Mani Dravida Sastrigal as you
>> suggested. I had studied only a part of the said text much earlier from
>> another Acharyaji and so its a good idea to listen comprehensively with the
>> links sent by you.
>>
>>
>> One of the points you made -
>>  1. In 'bhUtale ghataH na', viShayagata-pratyaxatvaM condition is
>> satisfied, you said, because antaHkaraNam vRtti extends to the viShaya
>> desha. I am able to see that the text also asserts viShayagata-pratyaxatvaM
>> is satisfied in anupalabdhi case due to pramAtR-abhinnatvaM condition being
>> satisfied. But this brings me back to the *original question* of
>>
>> "When, if at all, is GYAnagata-pratyaxatvam condition met, even while
>> viShayagata-pratyaxatva condition is *not* met?"
>>
>> 2. Is not the antaHkaraNa extending to viShaya seen in all cases of
>> GYAnagata-pratyaxatvaM condition being met as well?
>>
>> 3.Are sAxI-vedya cases of sukha etc. counted by VP as cases of
>> GYAnagata-pratyaxa but not viShayagata-pratyaxa? Or does sukha etc also
>> satisfy both the criteria of GYAnagata-pratyaxatvam and
>> viShayagata-pratyaxatvaM?
>>
>> Thanks again for your inputs
>>
>> Raghav
>>
>>
>>>>