[Advaita-l] Ekadashi

[Kaushik Chevendra]

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021, 17:00 Kaushik Chevendra, <chevendrakaushik at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namate, the discussion is going in all directions.
> So here are the statements I have said.
>
> 1.Unflinching devotion to isvara leads to krama mukthi. And devotion unto
> him by namasmarana isn't a mere "chitta sudhi" as stated by our acharyas,
> both present and past.
>
> 2. Even grihasthis can attain jnana. This statement again is made by our
> acharya. And hence its a final verdict. So if takes the upadesha he will
> Attain gnana. If he doesn't it means he doesn't desire liberation or at
> least isn't hundred percent dedicated to it. So why will he gnana?
>
Please read as," Why will he get gnana?".

>
>
> My initial post was a form of praise of Lord on ekadashi and it has bought
> out various topics.
> This will be my last reply.
>
> Om namo narayanaya.
>
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021, 16:53 Aravind M, <aravindeie13 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There is a special topic in kanchi periyava deivatin kural 6th volume
>> as"uchakata gnanam turavikae"...Janaka though was managing the kingdom got
>> gnana upadesam from rishis ..How many grihastas in this age got maha vakya
>> upadesam from a Sannyasi acharya
>>
>> On Wed 21 Jul, 2021, 4:48 PM Aravind M, <aravindeie13 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Can u tell some of grihasta jeevan muktha gnanis   from kali yugam...
>>>
>>> On Wed 21 Jul, 2021, 2:41 PM Kaushik Chevendra, <
>>> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here is an expert from discourse of mahasanidham.
>>>>
>>>> D: Does Your Holiness opine that householders cannot get jñāna and
>>>> attain mokṣa?
>>>> HH: No. They too can attain jñāna and mokṣa. However, their path is
>>>> tougher. An unmarried mumukṣu (one keen on mokṣa), especially
>>>> one who is a saṁnyāsin, can remain away from causes of mental
>>>> distraction and lead a life directed wholly to the attainment of mokṣa.
>>>> Householders, however, have to live with familial responsibilities
>>>> and deal with situations that are unfavourable. Nevertheless, it is
>>>> incorrect to contend that they cannot secure jñāna. Janaka and
>>>> such other householders were jñānins.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021, 14:11 Aravind M, <aravindeie13 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why aadi shankara took avatar as a Sannyasi..
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed 21 Jul, 2021, 2:06 PM Kaushik Chevendra, <
>>>>> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Namaste.
>>>>>> Grihasthi ashrama isn't something that restricts gnana. As long as
>>>>>> the householder has a vairagi bhava and lives in accordance to dharma he is
>>>>>> eligible for moksha.
>>>>>> And unflinching devotion is what I meant when I said "surrender to
>>>>>> isvara".
>>>>>> So when a person has unflinching devotion to the Lord and is engaged
>>>>>> in isvara nama smarana he is saved.
>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021, 14:00 Aravind M, <aravindeie13 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In that march 2021 issue,maha sannidanam mentioned "nama leads to
>>>>>>> attaining paramatma"..But he never mentioned that we will attain that in
>>>>>>> this birth itself staying in grihasta ashrama,doing all lowkkeega stuffs
>>>>>>> and also chant name in the name of pseudo-bhakthi as many nama sankirtan
>>>>>>> vidwans are doing...only a Sannyasi who got the maha vakya upadesam is the
>>>>>>> authority for gnana
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed 21 Jul, 2021, 12:40 PM Kaushik Chevendra, <
>>>>>>> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And this is the statement of bagavtpada in the last stanza of
>>>>>>>> "bhaja govindam"-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *bhajagovindaM bhajagovindaM govindaM bhajamuuDhamate .
>>>>>>>> naamasmaraNaadanyamupaayaM nahi pashyaamo bhavataraNe .. (33) *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Worship Govinda, worship Govinda, worship Govinda, Oh fool ! Other
>>>>>>>> than chanting the Lord's names, there is no other way to cross the life's
>>>>>>>> ocean.*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And the works of "narayaneeyam" and "gudartha dipika" by advaita
>>>>>>>> acharyas specify the importance of bhakthi. It's not a mere form of "chitta
>>>>>>>> sudhi".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021, 11:52 Kaushik Chevendra, <
>>>>>>>> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Namaste sir.
>>>>>>>>> Its true that the attainment of gnana alone leads to liberation.
>>>>>>>>> But the aspect of devotion is nowhere given less importance. This has been
>>>>>>>>> stated many times by shri abhinava tirtha swamin in his discourses. In now
>>>>>>>>> way can knowledge be attained without the grace and of guru and isvara.
>>>>>>>>> And for people who completely surrender to isvara, the aspect of
>>>>>>>>> "krama mukthi" is accepted. So, there is no rule that it has to come after
>>>>>>>>> many births.
>>>>>>>>> Regarding the power of nama smarana, here is a link to the
>>>>>>>>> discourses of jagadguru - "
>>>>>>>>> http://www.tattvaloka.com/jagadguru-speaks". The discourse in
>>>>>>>>> March 2021 under " Chant the names of Lord and attain highest good" the
>>>>>>>>> power of nama smarana is given. There is also a discourse in telugu given
>>>>>>>>> by him in 2013 regarding the greatness of smarana- "
>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/LqLkkwWm1cY".
>>>>>>>>> From jagadgurus discourses it's evident the power of nama smarana
>>>>>>>>> and bakthi shouldn't be compared to other rituals. Bakthi indeed is
>>>>>>>>> superior to them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And I have no way indicated inferiority of other gods. It was
>>>>>>>>> ekadashi, a special day to narayana and vaishnavas. And hence I had a few
>>>>>>>>> thoughts about the immeasurable daya and splendor of narayana and shared it
>>>>>>>>> in the group. And other than a praise of him and a rememberance of him, it
>>>>>>>>> had no other intention.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Om namo narayana.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021, 10:24 Venkatesh Murthy, <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Namaste
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Our Sampradaya has laid down Panchayatana Puja to worship
>>>>>>>>>> Ganesha, Shiva. Vishnu, Shakti and Surya. There is a reason for this. We
>>>>>>>>>> should not become fanatics of one God and quarrel with devotees of other
>>>>>>>>>> Gods. It will be a big obstacle for us if we become fanatics. Every God is
>>>>>>>>>> a form of Saguna Brahma. No God is inferior and nobody is superior.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 5:44 AM Kaushik Chevendra via Advaita-l <
>>>>>>>>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Namaste subbu sir.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your kind words.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021, 23:18 V Subrahmanian, <
>>>>>>>>>>> v.subrahmanian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > Dear Kaushik,
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > You have beautifully articulated the position of the Shastra
>>>>>>>>>>> and our
>>>>>>>>>>> > sampradaya.  Your post, though short, is full of wisdom.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for
>>>>>>>>>>> > sharing your thoughts.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > warm regards
>>>>>>>>>>> > subbu
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 9:14 PM Kaushik Chevendra via
>>>>>>>>>>> Advaita-l <
>>>>>>>>>>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> The differences between the school of advaita and dvaita are
>>>>>>>>>>> many. But the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> CHATNTING of harinama and sublime devotion to vishnu is the
>>>>>>>>>>> common and
>>>>>>>>>>> >> most
>>>>>>>>>>> >> important aspect in both the school. In the age of kali, it
>>>>>>>>>>> is said that
>>>>>>>>>>> >> no
>>>>>>>>>>> >> penance, austerity, charity etc has the same fruit as the
>>>>>>>>>>> rememberance of
>>>>>>>>>>> >> hari nama. The last verse in "bhaja govindam"says "There is
>>>>>>>>>>> no other
>>>>>>>>>>> >> measure to escape samsara other than rememberance of hari
>>>>>>>>>>> nama". It's said
>>>>>>>>>>> >> that narayana finds some excuse to lift people from samsara.
>>>>>>>>>>> Such is his
>>>>>>>>>>> >> daya ,he is the uplifter of sinners,he is "patita pavana". He
>>>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>>> >> protects his devotees. People who hated hari, such as kamsa,
>>>>>>>>>>> sisupala etc,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> too were given mukti because they constantly thought about
>>>>>>>>>>> him. He is an
>>>>>>>>>>> >> ocean of daya and forgiveness. Being sarvasaktha isvara he
>>>>>>>>>>> underwent
>>>>>>>>>>> >> samsara as rama, to show us how to live a life according to
>>>>>>>>>>> dharma. He
>>>>>>>>>>> >> gave
>>>>>>>>>>> >> the essence of Upanishads in the form of krishna to save the
>>>>>>>>>>> people of
>>>>>>>>>>> >> kali.  Today being ekadashi, this day belongs to narayana.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Just a few thoughts I had on this auspicious day.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Om namo narayanaya.
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>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Venkatesh
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>