[Advaita-l] Ekadashi

[Kaushik Chevendra]

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021, 17:32 Shashi Vishwanath, <raghavadasa at gmail.com> wrote:

> Kaushik,
>
> I think what you’re saying about krama mukti and Bhakti is so obviously
> right that if any other suggestion were made Madhusudana Saraswati and
> Upanishad Brahmendra would be laughing.
>
> Also, I don’t know why disrespect to other Devatas was brought up. As you
> pointed out, It happened to be Ekadasi, and just as Pradosha/ Trayodasi is
> very dear to Siva Bhaktas, so is Ekadasi/ Dvadasi dear to Vishnu Bhaktas.
>
Thank you for your wise words. It was only due to devotion on ekadasi , I
had said talked about greatness of hari.

>
> Sincerely,
> Shashi
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 21, 2021, at 6:32 AM, Kaushik Chevendra via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 21 Jul 2021, 17:00 Kaushik Chevendra, <
> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Namate, the discussion is going in all directions.
> >> So here are the statements I have said.
> >>
> >> 1.Unflinching devotion to isvara leads to krama mukthi. And devotion
> unto
> >> him by namasmarana isn't a mere "chitta sudhi" as stated by our
> acharyas,
> >> both present and past.
> >>
> >> 2. Even grihasthis can attain jnana. This statement again is made by our
> >> acharya. And hence its a final verdict. So if takes the upadesha he will
> >> Attain gnana. If he doesn't it means he doesn't desire liberation or at
> >> least isn't hundred percent dedicated to it. So why will he gnana?
> >>
> > Please read as," Why will he get gnana?".
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> My initial post was a form of praise of Lord on ekadashi and it has
> bought
> >> out various topics.
> >> This will be my last reply.
> >>
> >> Om namo narayanaya.
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021, 16:53 Aravind M, <aravindeie13 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There is a special topic in kanchi periyava deivatin kural 6th volume
> >>> as"uchakata gnanam turavikae"...Janaka though was managing the kingdom
> got
> >>> gnana upadesam from rishis ..How many grihastas in this age got maha
> vakya
> >>> upadesam from a Sannyasi acharya
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed 21 Jul, 2021, 4:48 PM Aravind M, <aravindeie13 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Can u tell some of grihasta jeevan muktha gnanis   from kali yugam...
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed 21 Jul, 2021, 2:41 PM Kaushik Chevendra, <
> >>>> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Here is an expert from discourse of mahasanidham.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> D: Does Your Holiness opine that householders cannot get jñāna and
> >>>>> attain mokṣa?
> >>>>> HH: No. They too can attain jñāna and mokṣa. However, their path is
> >>>>> tougher. An unmarried mumukṣu (one keen on mokṣa), especially
> >>>>> one who is a saṁnyāsin, can remain away from causes of mental
> >>>>> distraction and lead a life directed wholly to the attainment of
> mokṣa.
> >>>>> Householders, however, have to live with familial responsibilities
> >>>>> and deal with situations that are unfavourable. Nevertheless, it is
> >>>>> incorrect to contend that they cannot secure jñāna. Janaka and
> >>>>> such other householders were jñānins.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021, 14:11 Aravind M, <aravindeie13 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Why aadi shankara took avatar as a Sannyasi..
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed 21 Jul, 2021, 2:06 PM Kaushik Chevendra, <
> >>>>>> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Namaste.
> >>>>>>> Grihasthi ashrama isn't something that restricts gnana. As long as
> >>>>>>> the householder has a vairagi bhava and lives in accordance to
> dharma he is
> >>>>>>> eligible for moksha.
> >>>>>>> And unflinching devotion is what I meant when I said "surrender to
> >>>>>>> isvara".
> >>>>>>> So when a person has unflinching devotion to the Lord and is
> engaged
> >>>>>>> in isvara nama smarana he is saved.
> >>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021, 14:00 Aravind M, <aravindeie13 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In that march 2021 issue,maha sannidanam mentioned "nama leads to
> >>>>>>>> attaining paramatma"..But he never mentioned that we will attain
> that in
> >>>>>>>> this birth itself staying in grihasta ashrama,doing all lowkkeega
> stuffs
> >>>>>>>> and also chant name in the name of pseudo-bhakthi as many nama
> sankirtan
> >>>>>>>> vidwans are doing...only a Sannyasi who got the maha vakya
> upadesam is the
> >>>>>>>> authority for gnana
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed 21 Jul, 2021, 12:40 PM Kaushik Chevendra, <
> >>>>>>>> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> And this is the statement of bagavtpada in the last stanza of
> >>>>>>>>> "bhaja govindam"-
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> *bhajagovindaM bhajagovindaM govindaM bhajamuuDhamate .
> >>>>>>>>> naamasmaraNaadanyamupaayaM nahi pashyaamo bhavataraNe .. (33) *
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> *Worship Govinda, worship Govinda, worship Govinda, Oh fool !
> Other
> >>>>>>>>> than chanting the Lord's names, there is no other way to cross
> the life's
> >>>>>>>>> ocean.*
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> And the works of "narayaneeyam" and "gudartha dipika" by advaita
> >>>>>>>>> acharyas specify the importance of bhakthi. It's not a mere form
> of "chitta
> >>>>>>>>> sudhi".
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021, 11:52 Kaushik Chevendra, <
> >>>>>>>>> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Namaste sir.
> >>>>>>>>>> Its true that the attainment of gnana alone leads to liberation.
> >>>>>>>>>> But the aspect of devotion is nowhere given less importance.
> This has been
> >>>>>>>>>> stated many times by shri abhinava tirtha swamin in his
> discourses. In now
> >>>>>>>>>> way can knowledge be attained without the grace and of guru and
> isvara.
> >>>>>>>>>> And for people who completely surrender to isvara, the aspect of
> >>>>>>>>>> "krama mukthi" is accepted. So, there is no rule that it has to
> come after
> >>>>>>>>>> many births.
> >>>>>>>>>> Regarding the power of nama smarana, here is a link to the
> >>>>>>>>>> discourses of jagadguru - "
> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.tattvaloka.com/jagadguru-speaks". The discourse in
> >>>>>>>>>> March 2021 under " Chant the names of Lord and attain highest
> good" the
> >>>>>>>>>> power of nama smarana is given. There is also a discourse in
> telugu given
> >>>>>>>>>> by him in 2013 regarding the greatness of smarana- "
> >>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/LqLkkwWm1cY".
> >>>>>>>>>> From jagadgurus discourses it's evident the power of nama
> smarana
> >>>>>>>>>> and bakthi shouldn't be compared to other rituals. Bakthi
> indeed is
> >>>>>>>>>> superior to them.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> And I have no way indicated inferiority of other gods. It was
> >>>>>>>>>> ekadashi, a special day to narayana and vaishnavas. And hence I
> had a few
> >>>>>>>>>> thoughts about the immeasurable daya and splendor of narayana
> and shared it
> >>>>>>>>>> in the group. And other than a praise of him and a rememberance
> of him, it
> >>>>>>>>>> had no other intention.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Om namo narayana.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021, 10:24 Venkatesh Murthy, <
> vmurthy36 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Namaste
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Our Sampradaya has laid down Panchayatana Puja to worship
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ganesha, Shiva. Vishnu, Shakti and Surya. There is a reason
> for this. We
> >>>>>>>>>>> should not become fanatics of one God and quarrel with
> devotees of other
> >>>>>>>>>>> Gods. It will be a big obstacle for us if we become fanatics.
> Every God is
> >>>>>>>>>>> a form of Saguna Brahma. No God is inferior and nobody is
> superior.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 5:44 AM Kaushik Chevendra via
> Advaita-l <
> >>>>>>>>>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Namaste subbu sir.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your kind words.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021, 23:18 V Subrahmanian, <
> >>>>>>>>>>>> v.subrahmanian at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Kaushik,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You have beautifully articulated the position of the Shastra
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and our
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> sampradaya.  Your post, though short, is full of wisdom.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> sharing your thoughts.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> warm regards
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> subbu
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 9:14 PM Kaushik Chevendra via
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Advaita-l <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The differences between the school of advaita and dvaita are
> >>>>>>>>>>>> many. But the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> CHATNTING of harinama and sublime devotion to vishnu is the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> common and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> most
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> important aspect in both the school. In the age of kali, it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is said that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> penance, austerity, charity etc has the same fruit as the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rememberance of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hari nama. The last verse in "bhaja govindam"says "There is
> >>>>>>>>>>>> no other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> measure to escape samsara other than rememberance of hari
> >>>>>>>>>>>> nama". It's said
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that narayana finds some excuse to lift people from samsara.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Such is his
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> daya ,he is the uplifter of sinners,he is "patita pavana".
> He
> >>>>>>>>>>>> always
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> protects his devotees. People who hated hari, such as kamsa,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> sisupala etc,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> too were given mukti because they constantly thought about
> >>>>>>>>>>>> him. He is an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ocean of daya and forgiveness. Being sarvasaktha isvara he
> >>>>>>>>>>>> underwent
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> samsara as rama, to show us how to live a life according to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> dharma. He
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gave
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the essence of Upanishads in the form of krishna to save the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> people of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> kali.  Today being ekadashi, this day belongs to narayana.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just a few thoughts I had on this auspicious day.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Om namo narayanaya.
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