[Advaita-l] Commentary on Ramana's Forty Verses

[Anand N]

Namaste,

When I read about Arjuna being called a Jnani and the quote being used from
BG, it was very suspect.
Jaldharji took the effort to point out to sources in Mahabharatha which
shows otherwise.
These excerpts were simply speculated upon.
The problem of or the rules of the tradition, is that the texts are
Pramana, since Anubhava cannot be documented.
If we interpret texts however we want, then we are entering chaos, which
will be inconsistent with the overall message of the Vedas.

Now historically, there have been several Gurus post Ramana or who claim to
be in the Ramana tradition, who teach "direct path" or the high-path etc.
Many of them
do not even consider the need for Ishwara, since one can argue that one is
Brahman and Ishwara is superfluous.
Or one can quote Bhagvad Gita Chapter 12 verse 3 and say that Ishwara is
for Manda Adhikaris. This is just an example of
what is happening in the Advaita marketplace. These Gurus are usually
categorised as the neo-vedantins.

Let us now see the rules of this list,
https://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/lists/
Focus of the list is also NOT on the new non-dual and neo-vedanta
teachings. But, scholarly articles comparing these traditions with
traditional advaita-vedAnta are welcome.

The problem is the word neo-vedanta is nebulous, since it's very hard to
define who all fall under the category.
For e.g. for me J. Krishnamurthi would be a Neo Vedantin. But wikipedia
will define it otherwise.

Now within the tradition itself, we have several post Shankara schools, and
this group or outside of this group itself there are
several debates between scholars on several doctrinal topics such as
1. Locus of Avidya
2. DSV+ EJV vs NJV
3. Several other "vadas"
Or Dharmic Issues such as
1. Role of caste
2. Duty of women
The very people of this group or elsewhere will then take positions, which
will make them conservative, moderate or liberals.
These are all then finally subjective views.

When one sees things from the Paramarthika point of view of Brahman, there
is oneness in the teachings of the traditionalists and anyone else.
Which is why when Akileshji is talking about Brahman, one can see that it
is consistent.

Anyway it's a question of scope of a group and the moderator has to make
those decisions.

Om Namo Narayanaya,
Anand

On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 at 06:14, KAMESWARARAO MULA via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

>  Dear Members,
> Let's avoid the personal attacks by maintaining the decorum and keeping
> the harmony by neutral approach if some one doesn't like the views. I also
> observed some people asking questions although they have some ideas to not
> take the views/ & showing their highness and using the platform as a power
> source to spread their web relations.
>
> The main objective should the know concept in deeper and studying the
> things which we have not touched/covered earlier other than the goals of
> Advaita-L.
>
> How ever Moderators should take all the measures if some one croseess the
> Line.
>
> Here I have some interesting video link for the Kalday i.e
> Adishankracharya's Birthplace along with some good commentary.
> The Triumph of Faith Over Time (Rediscovery of Sri Adi Shankaracharya's
> Birth Place)
>
> https://youtu.be/HaYfoghV-n8
>
>
> SriGuru Padaravindarpana Mastu
> Kameswara     On Monday, 21 June, 2021, 11:10:40 pm IST, S Jayanarayanan
> via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>   jaldhar at braincells.com jaldhar at braincells.com
>
> Akilesh Ayyar ayyar at akilesh.com wrote:
>
> > > Interesting how Ramana himself in all his discourses seems
> > > perfectly capable of using the word sannyasa when he wants to, usually
> in a
> > > way that you disagree with.
> >
> > I never bothered with Raman and his teachings myself but I have some
> > respect for him/them because people I respect respect them. But the sole
> > reason for discussing his views on a list for Advaita Vedanta is if
> those
> > views are consonant with Advaita Vedanta (which existed long before
> him.)
> > If as you say, he actually wasn't an Advaitin which I find hard to
> believe
> > but if it is true, then his views have no place in advaita-l.
> >
>
> Ramana Bhagavan has been revered by both the Sringeri and Puri Acharyas of
> His time.
> Hence His Teachings are definitely pertinent to Advaita Vedanta.
>
> >
> > > No. Wrong. That's all prarabhda karma..
> > >
> >
> > Let it be so, it doesn't change the fact they are not producing new
> karma
> > neither are they part of the web of social relations.
> >
> > Anyway, I've removed you from the list now. You can spread your wisdom
> > somewhere else.
> >
>
> Although Akilesh has a view of Sannyasa that I believe is not really held
> by either
> Traditionalists or a specific Teacher, he has done two things correctly:
>
> 1) He has quoted passages from Ramana Bhagavan's teachings, rather than
> mere empty talk.
> 2) He has not resorted to any personal attacks.
>
> For the above reasons, I would recommend that he not be removed, but of
> course,
> you are the moderator.
>
> The main point in this thread that I would like to reiterate is this:
> No amount of quoting any authority saying that "Sannyasa should not be
> resorted to by
> this particular individual" can be taken as proof that Sannyasa is
> generally prohibited
> or not recommended to anyone. This is because the said individual may not
> be *FIT*
> to take up Sannyasa. The foremost example in this regard is Arjuna himself!
>
> Regards,
> Kartik
>
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