[Advaita-l] Perception in lightning

H S Chandramouli hschandramouli at gmail.com
Tue May 11 04:44:01 EDT 2021


Reg  << Thus all the terms related to viShayAvacChinna chaitanya can be
recast to mean prabhAvacChinna chaitanya / shabdAvacChinna chaitanya etc >>,

There is perhaps no need to recast anything. The present rendering covers
practically all the commonly  met with experiences. We are perhaps
considering exceptions. Hence a general reference to what has been
clarified would  be enough to cover such exceptions




On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 1:22 PM Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com> wrote:

> Namaste
> I was going to suggest this well. The object that is perceived is not the
> physical object itself but light / sound emanating from it.
> Thus without needing the postulation of the mind to move towards a
> physical object elsewhere, one could postulate that the light / sound
> itself is the viShaya. Thus all the terms related to viShayAvacChinna
> chaitanya can be recast to mean prabhAvacChinna chaitanya / shabdAvacChinna
> chaitanya etc.
> Thus, the viShaya adhiShThAna chaitanya can still be the prakAshaka, there
> is difference between paroksha and pratyaksha on account of the prabhA /
> shabda making contact with the eyes, there is possible for bhrama because
> of ajnAna in the viShaya (light/sound) avacChinna chaitanya.
> And as Sri Chandramouli says, this aligns with the anubhava of not
> experiencing the exact quantum of distance in the perception of sound and
> light even when one knows in general that it is far / near.
> That is simpler I feel and requires less items to postulate such as the
> mind being able to travel back in time to see distant galaxies etc. While
> it may be true for yogis, to say that everyone does that naturally does not
> sit well.
> Regards,
> Venkatraghavan
> On Tue, 11 May 2021, 08:17 H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> Namaste.
>> The following could perhaps form the basis for a resolution of the issue.
>> What is cognized through vision is the rUpa (color) of the Vishaya. It
>> could be considered as the light enveloping the object or emanating from
>> it
>> (in the case of lightning for example) as the case may be. While ‘being
>>  distant’ is also perceived in the cognition, the actual location is not
>> when the distance is large. Same with shabda or sound. While the sound is
>> cognized as well as it being ‘distant’, exact distance is not involved in
>> the cognition.
>> We can now consider ‘where’  the cognition takes place when all the three
>> involved in the cognition; namely antahkarana vritti,rUpa or light
>> enveloping/emnating from the object, and shabda or sound emanating from
>> the
>> object;  all three are in motion, and the distances between the objects
>> and
>> the experience are large.The location where visual cognition takes place
>> can be considered as the location where the rUpa or light enveloping the
>> object or emanating from it is coincident with the antahkarana vritti
>> issuing forth through the eyes. Similarly for the cognition of sound.
>> These
>> locations need not be the same as their origin. When distances involved
>> are
>> negligible compared to their speeds, location of cognition will be
>> practically the same as the object. When distances are large, they could
>> be
>> quite different.
>> This explains the reason for cognition taking place at different times in
>> case of lightning and thunder for example. This would also cover anomalies
>> in respect of cognition of very distant stars/planets etc.
>> Regards
>> Chandramouli
>> >>>>>>>
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