[Advaita-l] adhikAra - veda - vedAnta, a query

[Vinodh]

Namaskaram,

Any deviation from the prescriptions of the shaastras are only deviations.
Continuing along such a path of deviation is certainly not what the ancient
seers had in mind when prescribing the varnashrama dharma in the best
interest of each individual and the welfare of the society as a whole.
Therefore, definitively, those who have shraddha in the system must make
effort toward following the system rather than to continue deviating from
it.

To conclude through any reasoning of our limited intelligence that this
deviation is somehow better given the current times is to think that we
know better than the wise seers. Such a path is certainly bound to push one
deeper into samsara by aggravating one’s ahamkara rather than to liberate
one from samsara by destroying the ahamkara.

As mentioned earlier, the relaxations are allowed by the sampradayavids
(knowers of the tradition) out of compassion for the people in the current
times who struggle to follow even a little of the rules of the shaastras,
which are truly meant for the liberation of the jivas that have fallen into
the ocean of samsara. By allowing these relaxations, those who struggle to
follow even a litte get the confidence that they can indeed follow some of
it. This must then be used in the right direction by putting more effort
into following more of the shaastras. This is the way to obtain
chit-shuddhi (purification of mind) and through that brahma-saakshaatkaara
(direct experience of brahman), which is liberation (mukti) from the misery
of the cycle of birth and death (samsara).

Om tat sat 🙏

On Mon 4. Oct 2021 at 16:54, Bhaskar YR via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> praNAms
> Hare Krishna
>
> Thanks to all who are all responded to my query.  In short, the opinion is
> that without sticking to the rigid rules of smruthi-s, we have to be little
> accommodating with the demands of kAla dharma.  So, when it comes to
> adhikAra, those who are capable of doing adhyayana, those who have
> shraddha, guru bhakti, willingness to learn have this adhikAra irrespective
> of their caste, creed, gender etc.
>
> Perhaps this would be the reason nowadays, with an unwritten relaxation
> with respect to vidhi-nishedha (injunction and prohibition) of ancient
> smruti texts,  modern religious / spiritual institutions (like Arsha vidya,
> Chinmaya mission, RK math etc.)  are openly teaching veda-vedAnta to stree,
> non-dvija-s and even initiating them to sannyasa giving them the new
> Ashrama bound names etc.
>
> Now the question is, is this a welcome sign or further deterioration of
> varNa system??
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
>
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> Dear Bhaskar mahaseya,                                            I feel
> vedenta is  mainly vedic interpretation/upanishad's extrapolation/Avatura
> Pursuha's message to the dharmic people. When Swami Dayananda Sarawathi
> visited my place some 20 yrs back to give a discourse on 'Gita Bhashya', I
> put the same question to him after the discourse regarding the initiation
> to learn vedanta, he said to me if you have inclination/urge to learn , you
> can start from any where and this will not apply to vedanta acharya and he
> needs to be Adhikari or competent enough to teach vedanta. Learner need to
> be a Adhikari, he will get that over a period of time.
> Then comming to Brahmmavidya, yes it definitely gupa, gupta tara,
> Sampradaya, rahasya, rahasyati rahasya. As you mentioned Sh. Bhaskararaya
> Makhin mentions in his commentary on lalita sahasrnama bhashyam and
> Varivasya, Adhikarata is must to start the sadhana, He should have string
> faith in the veda pramana.He may not be adhikari to begin with (unless
> otherwise you practise, you can't become adhiakri. but Bhaskararaya say he
> shouldn't be "Na satya, Na Dustaya, Na Viswasaya kadachit" to begin. Some
> times, your birth may give the adhikarata (I mean some people by birth they
> may get adhikari's as they might have borned in
> ghanapathi/devatarachana/vyesya deva families).Ls-Phala sruthi- 44Pasu
> thulya sa vijneya thasmai datham nirarthakam, Pareekshya vidhya vidhusha
> thasmai dadhya dwichakshana
>
>
> There is no point in giving the MANTRA to animal like people,& it should
> be given to those who are learned and wise (adhikari's). i.e He can Hold
> that.
>
> Ultimately the seed of initiation grows, becomes a tree in the physical
> body. people gets the physical body to get the liberation which is nothing
> but the mantra, I mean as the mantra grows, physical body grows (which in
> not due to external food feeding).
> Sri Guru Padaravindarpana MastuKameswara
>
>
>
>
>     On Friday, 1 October, 2021, 03:00:07 pm GMT+5:45, Bhaskar YR via
> Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>  praNAms
> Hare Krishna
>
> whenever I chant veda maNtra-s publicly using mic , whenever I hear
> recordings of gAyatri maNtra and other veda sUkta / maNtra-s, public
> discourses like geeta jnAna yagna,  vedAnta in loud speakers etc. I do have
> a doubt that can it be made public without taking proper care of
> adhikAra??  vedAnta is guhya vidyA should not be taught to anadhikAri-s
> reiterates saMpradAya, bhAshyakAra says before taking up brahmavidyA
> jignAsa sAdhana chatushtaya is must,  lord too says in geeta idam te
> nAtapaskAya, nA bhaktAya kadAchana, should not be taught to the one who is
> not serving his guru etc. because this vidyA is paramaM guhyaM.  But what
> we are seeing today??  all veda-vedAnta geeta available to all openly
> irrespective of adhikAra.  we are making it proudly  public.  Is this
> relaxation allowed in the current situation (kAladharma) ??  Just curious
> to know the traditional clarification with regard to this.
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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