[Advaita-l] [advaitin] 'Dvaita accepts body-adhyasa'

[Vinodh]

Thank you for the clarification, Sri Subbuji.

Could you please elaborate on (or point to the place in the Adhyasa Bhashya
where it is shown) how the body-adhyasa (alone) leads to the conclusion
that all pramana-prameya vyavahara is happening in avidya?

The reason for asking this is that I thought that the Samkhya school (and
other Dvaitic shools) claims that the body-mind is sat (existent) and part
of Prakriti (insentient) and it is only an error on part of the sentient
Purusha to not see the difference between itself and the insentient? In
this case, it seems to me that they argue that while the body-adhyasa on
the Purusha is an error, this does not necessarily mean that body-mind is
avidya kalpita.

So I am curious to know how the admission of body-adhyasa (alone)
necessarily leads to the consequence of all vyavahara being in the realm of
avidya according to the Adhyaasa Bhashya.

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 1:27 PM V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 10:11 PM Vinodh <vinodh.iitm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Namaskaram,
>>
>> Kindly pardon any ignorance on my part, but I thought that body-adhyasa
>> was always accepted by Dvaita? In other words, I assumed that Dvaitins hold
>> that the Jivaatma which is chaitanya-svaroopa (nature of consciousness or
>> sentient) is falsely imagining itself to be the body which is jada
>> (insentient). This is, in my limited understanding, similar to the view
>> of the Samkhya philosophy where the (multiple) Purushas which are sentient
>> experience the Prakriti which is insentient (and makes up 24 tattvas
>> including the five panchabhootas of which the body is made) while not
>> realizing the difference between Purusha and Prakriti.
>>
>> It is my understanding that the main difference of Advaita to these
>> philosophies is not the body-adhyasa but rather the Jiva-Brahma-aikyam
>> (one-ness of the Jiva and Brahman).
>>
>> So this post makes me wonder if there anything new (or surprising) about
>> Dvaitins accepting body-adhyasa.
>>
>
> That all aastika schools hold the Atma to be distinct from the body-mind
> complex is well known. The purpose of mentioning this with reference to
> Dvaita is that the consequence of the error (of taking the body to be the
> self) is, as explained by the Adhyasa Bhashya, all pramana-prameya
> vyavahara, both laukika and shaastriya, up to moksha, will have to be
> bracketed as happening in the realm of avidya.   This default, bold
> observation by Shankaracharya is unacceptable to all the others.  The
> status of the body-mind that is wrongly seen as the self, is also in
> danger:  avidya kalpita.  It falls in the category of anirvachaniya since
> it can't be satyam as it is sublated upon right knowledge and it can't be
> asat like the gagana kusuma since it is experienced.  Such a category is
> anathema to all others.  So, merely holding the idea that the
> body-identification is an error is not enough and one will have to go
> further to accept the consequences too.
>
> regards
> subbu
>
>>
>> Please do correct me if any of my above understanding is incorrect. 🙏
>>
>>
>> On Thu 14. Oct 2021 at 21:36, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Here is an updated article on the above topic.  New evidences are added
>>> including a short video clip of the late Pejawar Swamiji on taking the body
>>> as the self is bhrama, mithyaajnana:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://adbhutam.files.wordpress.com/2021/10/dvaita-accepts-body-adhyasa-1.pdf
>>>
>>> regards
>>> subbu
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