[Advaita-l] Rama's promise to vibhishana

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste

Vidyaranya Swami has described Samvadi Bhrama like an illusion leading to
Truth.

If someone worships Brahman as Gopilola Krishna, Yashodanandan Krishna and
so on it is Samvadi Bhrama. He will finally realise Brahman only.

On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 at 12:31 PM Bhaskar YR via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> praNAms
> Hare Krishna
>
> Interestingly here in shloka mAm ekaM accordingly to Geetha bhAshyakAra
> shankara not gOpilOla, yashOda nanadana krishna it is Atman.
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> Bhaskar YR
>
>
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> Dear Kaushik,                             Protecting or Sharanagathi is
> nicely described in 18th Chapter of Yuddha Kanda of the glorious Ramayana
> of Valmiki. Here is the web link of Sh. K M K Murthy.
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> Sri Guru Padaravindarpana Mastu
> Kameswara
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> |
> Hearing Hanuman’s words, Rama says that he cannot desert Vibhishana who is
> seeking a refuge in him. Initially Sugreeva disagrees with Rama’s opinion.
> But when Rama explains the different circumstances under which Vibhishana
> is acceptable, Sugreeva also agrees with that view. Finally Vibhishana
> joins as an associate in Rama’s side..
>  |
>
>
> Thereafter the inviolable Rama who possesses sacred knowledge, after
> hearing Hanuman’s words, spoke with a clear understanding, the following
> opinion that was firm in his mind: “I also wish to tell my opinion about
> Vibhishana. I want it to be heard by you, who are firmly established in our
> welfare. By any means, I do not desert anyone who arrives with a friendly
> appearance, even if he has a defect .His acceptance is irreproachable in
> the eyes of good men”
>
> Then, Sugreeva the chief of monkeys closely analyzed and examined the
> aforesaid words of Rama and thereafter spoke the following most auspicious
> words: “What matters if this ranger of night is very dangerous or other
> wise, if he can desert his own brother at a time of peril? Whom will he not
> betray subsequently?”
>
> Hearing the words of Sugreeva, Rama who was truly mighty looked round all
> of them , smiled a little and spoke the following words to Lakshmana, of
> virtuous characteristics: “Without studying scriptures and without serving
> elders, it is not possible to speak such words as Sugreeva spoke. It
> appears to my mind that there is however something peculiar in these
> circumstances which are clearly to be seen in all lives of kings and even
> occurring in ordinary life. It is told that persons of the same family and
> rulers belonging to adjoining territories become enemies and strike in
> times of adversities. For this reason, he came here. Even if belonging to
> the same family, persons who are virtuous do respect their own well wishers
> in that family. Generally among kings, even a virtuous person is
> apprehended. With regard to the draw back you told me in the matter of
> accepting a person coming from the side of an adversary, hear from me what
> the scriptures say. We do not belong to the same family. Further,
> Vibhishana the demon is desirous of acquiring the kingdom. A few of the
> demons also may be rather learned ones. That is why, Vibhishana is
> acceptable. Kinsfolk do not live together in a fearless mode and in a
> delightful manner. Hence, they get a split among themselves. For this
> reason, a fear has come to him. This loud appeal is also major cause. That
> is why, Vibhishana can be accepted. My dear one! Neither all brothers are
> like Bharata, nor all sons of a father like me nor all friends are like
> you."
>
> Hearing Rama’ s words Sugreeva who was together with the highly wise
> Lakshmana stood up saluting and spoke these words: “O, Rama the excellent
> among the tolerant! Realise that Ravana has sent Vibhishana, the demon. I
> think of him to be worthy of being taken as a captive. The faultless one!
> This demon is being sent to kill you who are unsuspecting, or to kill
> Lakshmana or me in trust. He came here with a crooked mind. He with his
> counselors is fit to be imprisoned. Is not Vibhishana the brother of cruel
> Ravana?"
>
> Speaking thus to Rama, the best of Raghu dynasty, Sugreeva who knew the
> mode of expression, thereafter kept silent. Hearing those words of
> Sugreeva, Rama pondered over the words and thereafter spoke more auspicious
> words to Sugreeva as follows: “O, Sugreeva, Lord of monkey-troops!What does
> it matter whether that demon is very bad or not bad? He is incapable of
> doing even a little harm to me. If I wish, I can kill those devilish
> beings, demons, supernatural beings and ogres living on earth with just a
> tip of my finger. It is narrated how by a dove, its enemy( a fowler) when
> it came for a refuge, was received according to rules of hospitality and
> was invited for a feast with its own flesh.  The aforesaid dove indeed
> accepted as a guest, the fowler as he came, although he killed its wife
> .How much more a man like me has to do? Hear the verses inculcating virtue
> so long ago, by Kandu, the son of a sage called Kanva, a great sage and a
> speaker of truth. Even an enemy, who formed a cup with his hollowed hands,
> a miserable person, a person who is begging and who is seeking a refuge
> should not be killed with the aim of not being cruel. An enemy who comes
> for protection against others, even if the aforesaid enemy is oppressed or
> arrogant, is to be protected by one who has a disciplined mind, even by
> abandoning one’s life. If he does not protect rightly through his strength,
> by fear or by ignorance or by desire, it is a sin to be reproached by the
> world. If having not been protected, a refugee dies before the eyes of a
> man who is able to protect him, the former takes along all his moral merit
> and goes. In not protecting thus the persons who take refuge, there is a
> great blemish involved in it. It does not bestow heaven. It destroys
> reputation. It devastates strength and valor. I will follow the excellent
> words of Kandu. It becomes a very righteous thing, gives reputation, leads
> to heaven and the rewards appear consequently. He who seeks refuge in me
> just once, telling me that ‘I am yours’, I shall give him assurance of
> safety against all types of beings. This is my solemn pledge. Let him
> either be Vibhishana or even Ravana himself; I have given an assurance of
> safety to him. Bring him here.”
>
> Hearing Rama’ s words, Sugreeva the lord of monkeys, overwhelmed as he was
> with cordial friendship, replied to Rama as follows: “O, Rama, who knows
> righteousness, the crest jewel among lords of the world! What surprise is
> there in thinking that you, duly endowed with true essence of life and
> established in a right path, speak these venerable words? My inmost spirit
> also feels Vibhishana to be a genuine person, he being well examined from
> all angles, by act of inference and by his appearance. Hence, let the
> highly wise Vibhishana be equal among us soon together. Let him get our
> friendship too”
>
>
>
>     On Tuesday, 16 August, 2022, 07:34:08 pm GMT+5:45, Kaushik Chevendra
> via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>  Namaste.
> In ramayana yudha Kanda. Vibhishana is bought before Rama. And the monkey
> sugreeva advised Rama to kill him as he was the enemy of theirs.
> To which shri Rama Chandra the refuge of entire universe says- " Any being
> who has sought refuge with me, saying—‘I am thine’ is assured of my
> protection, I swear it! Bring this stranger to me, 0 Monkey, I shall offer
> him security whether he be Bibishana or Ravana himself!”
>
> This resembles Shri Krishna's statment in gita(18.66) where he says "mam
> ekam sharanam vraja" and in 9.31 " na me bhaktaḥ praṇaśhyati"
>
> Namo narayana
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