[Advaita-l] Binary nature of Jnana

[Raghav Kumar Dwivedula]

That's really nice to know. Thank you for sharing that, Subbuji

Om

On Sun, 17 Jul, 2022, 6:39 pm V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l, <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> We are discussing Bhagavan Ramana's enlightenment on the very day he is
> said to have had it:
>
> This day, 126 years ago (46020 days),
> 17 July 1896..., in Madurai,
>
> 16 year old Venkatraman,
> faced an experience with death,
> and in a flash,
> He attained Enlightenment and Immortality.
>
> This is that room where it all happened.
> Where boy Venkatraman
> became Sage Sri Ramana Maharshi.
>
> See image in Advaitin Google groups.
>
> On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 3:01 PM Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > Namaste Raghav ji
> >
> > On Sun, 17 Jul 2022, 09:01 Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l, <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > The effect of earlier janma's sAdhanas (this effect being short of the
> > > pramA) is stored as samskAra. This samskAra in a later janma triggers
> the
> > > arising of "the essence of the akhaNDa vAkyArtha" which in turn
> produces
> > > pramA. I understand you to be talking of such a 2-step onset.
> > >
> > Yes, I had this in mind.
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > One question that arises here in this 2-step process is whether the
> > > "essence of the akhaNDa-vAkyArtha" which functions as the sAxAt pramANa
> > in
> > > the later janma is in the form of atleast a few recollected words
> > (shAbdam)
> > > or it can be without any recollected words at all?
> > >
> >
> > It need not be the recollection of the words, it need not even be a
> > recollection that such a knowledge is from words - but if sufficient
> > sAdhana has happened  the vAkyArtha can arise as an akhaNDArtha. It is
> > shAbda not jnAtosatI, but svarUpasatI - ie it has arisen from shabda, but
> > it is not known to the individual as having risen from shabda.
> >
> >
> > > Because if the "essence" is not shAbda it's not clear how the following
> > two
> > > are different.
> > >
> > > 1. "Essence of akhaNDA vAkyArtha" being the pramANa in the later janma.
> > > 2. the samskAra (of all sAdhanas short of pramA) itself is sufficient
> to
> > > mediate and trigger the delayed onset of the pramA at the appropriate
> > time.
> > >
> > > Like I said if 1. involves shabda recollection while 2. does not, then
> 1.
> > > stands distinguished it from 2. Otherwise both would be called
> > > smaraNatmaka.
> > >
> > It could be shabdArtha recollection short of the akhaNDa-mahAvAkyArtha
> > (e.g. tat padArtha, tvam padArtha, or a saprakAraka jnAna of the
> > mahAvAkya). If one has a lot of experience identifying the lakshyArtha of
> > the tat and tvam padArtha, and practicing to identify with the
> lakshyArtha,
> > practicing seeing them as one, but has stopped short of knowing them as
> > one, that samskAra can later trigger the instantaneous experience of "I
> am
> > all this".
> >
> > Also, for the jnAna to be shAbda it is sufficient if the meaning has
> arisen
> > from words, one need not know that the meaning has arisen from words.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Venkatraghavan
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