[Advaita-l] Paul Hacker on Avidya in Brahma Sutras

[Vinodh]

Sri Michael,

I’m sharing a few thoughts that come to mind with respect to your latest
message below. :)

On Mon 23. May 2022 at 23:03, Michael Chandra Cohen via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Dear Venkatraghavan, Namaste.
>
> My response can refer to your comment, "These essentially correspond to
> paramArtha sat and vyAvahArika sat respectively."  Terminology is
> questionable, i,e,. vyAvahArika 'sat'. The implication of bhavarupa leads
> to the consequence of taking vyAvahAra as some kind of 'sat' which enables
> categories of 'absence' and 'presence'. My earlier comment questions the
> status of vyAvahAra as 'sat' rather than asat or adhyasa.


Vyavaharika sat is also sat only and completely non-separate from Brahman.
Is the pot separate  from the clay? Is an ornament separate from gold? Or
is the snake separate from the rope? Not at all. That we see the pot, the
ornament, and the snake as something separate from the underlying
substratum is the maya. There that we see vyavaharika sat as a separate
entity from the paramarthika Atma is the illusion. This is also sat, that
is also sat. Sat comes out of sat. Asat never comes into existence
fundamentally or through maya, just like the son of a barren woman —
Gaudapada says this in the very next karika after the one you have quoted
(3.28).

>
>
> The same reasoning applies to the earlier topic of efficient and material
> causation. I provided the link to section 131 to highlight SSS's
> clarification,
> "And again, the strict Advaitin accepts (according to the opponent) that
> absence of knowledge is the root-Ignorance causing wrong knowledge, and
> that wrong knowledge arises from it. In this \vay he accepts that the
> existent arises from the non-existent, which contrad~cts received canons of
> knowledge. Nor can he claim that he does not teach the rise of being from
> non-being by saying that superimposition is a modification of the mind, and
> has the mind for its material cause. For the mind itself presupposes a
> material cause, and the demand for a first cause cannot on this basis be
> satisfied. So, because the strict Advaitin cannot account either for an
> efficient or for a material cause of Ignorance, his whole system is faulty.
> But all this argument only arises from 'ignorance'. We do not admit that
> Ignorance is either the efficient or the material cause of the world, since
> it has no real existence at all." Heart of Sri Samkara p135


This is a very subtle argument that SSS renders against the opposing view
who accuses Advaita as proposing the existent (wrong knowledge) to come out
of something non-existent (absence of knowledge). He does so by first
pointing out that this very view of the opponent arises from ‘ignorance’.
In this way, he points out to the apparent locus of ignorance, which is
centered on the view of opponent. He continues then by declaring the
pararamathika view that nothing other than Brahman, including ignorance,
has any real existence. The existence of everything else is out of maya. It
is in this cocntext that he quotes Gaudapada karika 3.27.

In essence, from a vyavaharika standpoint, ignorance “appears” exist and
cause adhyasa etc. However, to whom is does vyavaharika view make sense?
Only to the one who ignorant. For one who sees nothing other than the
non-dual Brahman, where is the world or its cause? As an analogy, it is
only to the one who sees the snake in the rope or the silver in the shell
that an explanation about ignorance of the underlying substratum and a
superimposed entity make sense. Because it is he who is ignorant of the
truth and asks questions about vyavahara (illusions that he perceives). For
the one who sees nothing but the truth all such doubts have disappeared
because he no longer sees any illusions.


>
> The passage continues to declare Maya as the apparency of the world as per
> Gaudapada, 'The real can undergo production through illusion, but not in
> truth. He who holds that such production is real affirms (absurdly) that
> that which has already been produced undergoes production' (G.K. 3.27) '