[Advaita-l] One Brahmaloka is for all Upasakas of Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, etc.- Mahabharata
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Mon Oct 24 13:04:28 EDT 2022
Dear Sri Subramanian, Where is this Brahmaloka? Is it distinct and different from Atman?If it is distinct and different from Atman then it is Artamaccording to Bruhadarnyaka Upanishad mantra 3-7-23?Then why make efforts to go to Brahmaloka which is Artam? Sruti says : ahamEvEdagM sarvam || Chandogya 7-25-1 AtmaivEdagM sarvam || Chandogya 7-25-2 Hence aham is Atman. aham is HERE & NOW. This fact can never be refuted by anyone on this earth.
So know the true nature of aham which was Atman, which is Atmanand which will be Atman forever.Is it not so?Do you agree with the above?
Evey student of Vedanta who is a mumukshu should ponder over the above upadesha based upon Srutiand become a kRutArtha.This is the message for Dipavali.
With respectful namaskars,Sreenivasa Murthy
On Monday, 24 October, 2022 at 11:30:42 am GMT+1, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 1:58 PM Kaushik Chevendra <
chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
> Namaste sir.
> I think we can say that there are various realms in the brahmaloka.
Yes, that sounds reasonable. That is what Narayana Bhatta in the
Narayaneeyam says: तत्रेश्वरस्तु स विकुण्ठपदस्त्वमेव त्रित्वं पुनर्भजसि
सत्यपदे त्रिभागे ॥ ९०२॥ सत्यपदे त्रिभागे = the Satyaloka that has
> As shri MS says that krishna remains above and unaffected during pralaya
> and we also have krishna and Arjuna meeting lord Shiva in kailasa. Other
> than this there are various times the Devas meet rudra and Vishnu in their
> respective abodes which is different from the abode of brahma.
Yes, but clubbing all of them as one 'Brahma loka' would take away the
special status of Vaikuntha, etc. And Satya loka (Brahma loka) is subject
to mahapralaya. Then, we must say, keeping MS's words in mind, that the
Trimurti-s cease to have distinct identities and remain as One Nirguna
Brahman, unaffected during pralaya. Or One saguna Brahman, Turiya, who,
when creation starts, assumes the three murti forms with the three names.
Both these are agreeable in Advaita.
> Other than this we also have krishna saying that the worshippers of other
> gods go to their own "abodes" in gita.
> On Fri, 21 Oct, 2022, 10:21 pm V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> In Advaita there is no concept of Vaikuntha, Shiva loka, etc. All Upasakas
>> of all deities will attain One Brahmaloka, the Fourteenth loka, called
>> Satya loka. The upasakas reaching there will see that loka as their upasya
>> devata loka.
>> In the Narayaneeyam, the author has given expression to this in the
>> following verse:
>> नारायणीयम्/दशकम् ९०
>> मूर्तित्रयेश्वरसदाशिवपञ्चकं यत् प्राहुः परात्मवपुरेव सदाशिवोऽस्मिन् ।
>> तत्रेश्वरस्तु स विकुण्ठपदस्त्वमेव त्रित्वं पुनर्भजसि सत्यपदे त्रिभागे ॥
>> One can see the commentary thereof and other details in this article:
>> Now, we see this idea stated in the Mahabharata:
>> It is on page 3343 of the 4000 odd page pdf on archive:
>> Nilakantha's commentary for verses 50 and 51:
>> It says -
>> सप्तैव संहारमुपप्लवानि संभाव्य संतिष्ठति जीवलोके ।
>> ततोऽव्ययं स्थानमनन्तमेति देवस्य विष्णोरथ ब्रह्मणथ ।
>> शेषस्य चैवाथ नरस्य चैव देवस्य विष्णोः परमस्य चैव ॥
>> संहारकाले परदिग्धकाया ब्रह्माणमायान्ति सदा प्रजाहि ।
>> चेष्टात्मनो देवगणाश्च सर्वे ये ब्रह्मलोके ह्यमराः स्म तेऽपि ॥
>> प्रजानिसर्गे तु स शेषकाले स्थानानि स्वान्येव सरन्ति जीवाः ।
>> निःशेषतस्तत्पदं वान्ति चान्ते सर्वे देवा ये सदृशा मनुष्याः ॥
>> Nilakantha gives good details and also says that beyond even this
>> Brahmaloka, is the absolute mukti, the Advaitic liberation, that is not
>> Om Tat Sat
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