[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Bhaskar Yr question

[sunil bhattacharjya]

Dear Shri Michael Chandra Cohen,

When the Jnani learns and finally realises the imparmanence of the
vyavaharika world, his attachment to the vyavaharika world drastically gets
reduced / destroyed and eventually gets vanished, and this is best called
as his becoming vasanashunya and he also becoming unmindful of the
vyavaharika world, or in other words, he achieves Manonasha. Upanishad also
uses the wording as becoming manah-shunya.

Even though the such a jnani does live in the vyavaharika world till he
becomes videhamukta, i.e., till he leaves his body (i.e., till he leaves
both the shthula and the Shukshma sareeras), he is *as good as* one who
crossed the cycle of birth and death. The Vyavaharika world does not affect
him.








On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 10:15 AM Michael Chandra Cohen <
michaelchandra108 at gmail.com> wrote:

> aum and pranam Blessed Bhaskarji,
>
> Thanks for your clear response - I agree with all your points. I think the
> difference attaches only to one's drsti. From Paramarthika there cannot be
> sarva of any sort while from vyavaharika, appearances continue. The
> question then is what does the jnani himself see - does he (who is he?) see
> and partake in the world or does he no longer see nor partake in the world
> or does he have two views? I think SSSS would argue the middle alternative
> -- that is what I learned from Atmanandendraji and his student, Atma
> Chaitanya ji, is the correct view. As there is no jnani, there can be no
> one to see nor anything to be seen and there are ample supportive
> citations. Would you agree?
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 11:46 PM 'SRINIVASAN Raghuraman' via advaitin <
> advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Just the week Nobel prize goes to Advatin/Quantum
>> physicist...............All come off it soon now. No one knows
>> consciousness.
>>
>> On 28 Apr 2023 11:23, 'Bhaskar YR' via advaitin <
>> advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> my understanding is that savAtmabhAva is distinct from turiya or
>> atmaikatva vidya, i.e., all is Brahma/Atma is different from only Brahma
>> alone
>>
>>
>>
>> praNAms Sri Chandra prabhuji
>>
>> Hare Krishna
>>
>>
>>
>> IMHO, two are not entirely different avasthA-s (states), sarvAtmabhAva is
>> the bhuma drushti when the paramArtha jnAni still seeing the world as
>> brahman and not different from brahman!!.  And Atmaikatva vidyA or turiya
>> is that jnana itself.  Realizing that he is sarvaM when he is seeing sarvaM
>> does not mean he is not tureeya or he is not having the Atmaikatva vidyA.
>> The person called ‘Charudatta’ is same charudatta only when he is folding
>> his limbs or stretching his limbs ( bhAshyakAra himself gives this example
>> somewhere).  It is because of the simple fact that jnAni knows that for the
>> ‘sarvaM’ (jagat) brahman is the only abhinna nimittopadAna kAraNa and
>> brahman as kAraNa is in effect (kaarya) but in kAraNa there are no effects
>> (kaarya), matsthAni sarvabhutaani …….na cha matsthAni bhUtAni says lord.  I
>> am in the kaarya is sarvAtmabhAva and in me there is no transactions or
>> effects is the Atmaikatva or tureeya jnana where duality is denied without
>> any trace ( neha nAnAsti kiMchana).  Such complete denial of transactions
>> of the avasthAtraya is what is implied in tureeya / Atmaikatva darshana.
>> IMO, this is nirvishesha svarUpa jnana and this is also sarvAtmabhAva, how
>> so!!??  Because though there seems transactions in sarvAtmabhAva (like
>> ‘sarvaM’ (prameya) and I am (pramAtru) is the ONE in ALL etc.)  there is
>> really no transaction at all in this paramArtha jnAni.  His jnana is intact
>> in both Atmaikatva jnana and sarvAtmabhAva.  It is because of that reason
>> bhAshyakAra says sarvAtmabhAva is mOksha because in that bhAva there is
>> absolute absence of kriya, kAraka and phalam.  Shruti itself says that he
>> who understands himself as brahman will become all this  ya evaM veda ahaM
>> brahmAsmeeti sa idam sarvaM bhavati.   If that is not the case then we are
>> forced to accept tureeya or the Atmaikatva darshana is possible only in a
>> particular state called tureeyaavasthA ( A forth state of Atman and as per
>> some, it can be achieved ONLY in the state of nirvikalpa samAdhi since in
>> this state only mind is inert and there is complete absence of external
>> world !!)  and sarvaatmabhAva which is a different state in which sarvaM
>> implies ‘difference’ and is Atman or me implies abedha hence it is
>> something inferior to tureeya state!!  As you know, this conclusion is
>>  untenable in shankara’s Advaita vedAnta.  In short, mOkshAvastha is not
>> vyavahaara shUnya but it is vyavahAra badhita Atma svarUpa jnana.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
>>
>> bhaskar
>>
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