[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Bhaskar Yr question

[sunil bhattacharjya]

Dear Shri Sreenivasa Murthy,

Firstly, you may be a great fan of Shri J.  Krishnamurti, but not me. So
please don't quote him in discussions on Advaita.

Secondly, Please don't just make vague assertions, without being able to
give  any details.

Thirdly, one who read and understaood Lord Krishna's following statement in
the Bhagavatam as well as in the Mahabharata, has surely understood  the
concept of Advaita, and even Shri Gaudapadacharya was so influenced by this
verse, that he even quoted this verse in his Mandukya Karika.
*"If a thing is non—existent both in the beginning and in the end, it is
necessarily non—existent in the present. The objects that we see are really
like illusions; still they are regarded as real."*
The Reality of the Vyavaharika world is nothing but like illusion. Once one
understands this, one would be able to withdraw one's mind from the
vyavaharika world. Once one does that,  one becomes able to realize the
truth that there is nothing other than the Brahman.

Sincerely,
skb





On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 6:43 PM sreenivasa murthy <narayana145 at yahoo.co.in>
wrote:

> Dear Sri Sunil Bhattachariya,
>
> What you have written is completely erroneous.
>
> It goes against the spirit of the teachings of Upanishads and Sri Shankara.
> Kindly study and understand the mantras 6-7 and 6-8 of Prashnopanishad
> and commentary of Sri Shankara to those mantras .
>
>
> Sri J.Krishnamurti has made a very profound statement in one
> of his meetings. It reads thus :Do not utter even a single word
> which you yourself has not understood or cognized within yourself.
>
> With respectful namaskars,
> Sreenivasa Murthy.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 30 April, 2023 at 04:46:58 am IST, sunil bhattacharjya via
> Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Shri Michael Chandra Cohen,
>
> When the Jnani learns and finally realises the imparmanence of the
> vyavaharika world, his attachment to the vyavaharika world drastically gets
> reduced / destroyed and eventually gets vanished, and this is best called
> as his becoming vasanashunya and he also becoming unmindful of the
> vyavaharika world, or in other words, he achieves Manonasha. Upanishad also
> uses the wording as becoming manah-shunya.
>
> Even though the such a jnani does live in the vyavaharika world till he
> becomes videhamukta, i.e., till he leaves his body (i.e., till he leaves
> both the shthula and the Shukshma sareeras), he is *as good as* one who
> crossed the cycle of birth and death. The Vyavaharika world does not affect
> him.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 10:15 AM Michael Chandra Cohen <
> michaelchandra108 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > aum and pranam Blessed Bhaskarji,
> >
> > Thanks for your clear response - I agree with all your points. I think
> the
> > difference attaches only to one's drsti. From Paramarthika there cannot
> be
> > sarva of any sort while from vyavaharika, appearances continue. The
> > question then is what does the jnani himself see - does he (who is he?)
> see
> > and partake in the world or does he no longer see nor partake in the
> world
> > or does he have two views? I think SSSS would argue the middle
> alternative
> > -- that is what I learned from Atmanandendraji and his student, Atma
> > Chaitanya ji, is the correct view. As there is no jnani, there can be no
> > one to see nor anything to be seen and there are ample supportive
> > citations. Would you agree?
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 11:46 PM 'SRINIVASAN Raghuraman' via advaitin <
> > advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Just the week Nobel prize goes to Advatin/Quantum
> >> physicist...............All come off it soon now. No one knows
> >> consciousness.
> >>
> >> On 28 Apr 2023 11:23, 'Bhaskar YR' via advaitin <
> >> advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> my understanding is that savAtmabhAva is distinct from turiya or
> >> atmaikatva vidya, i.e., all is Brahma/Atma is different from only Brahma
> >> alone
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> praNAms Sri Chandra prabhuji
> >>
> >> Hare Krishna
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> IMHO, two are not entirely different avasthA-s (states), sarvAtmabhAva
> is
> >> the bhuma drushti when the paramArtha jnAni still seeing the world as
> >> brahman and not different from brahman!!.  And Atmaikatva vidyA or
> turiya
> >> is that jnana itself.  Realizing that he is sarvaM when he is seeing
> sarvaM
> >> does not mean he is not tureeya or he is not having the Atmaikatva
> vidyA.
> >> The person called ‘Charudatta’ is same charudatta only when he is
> folding
> >> his limbs or stretching his limbs ( bhAshyakAra himself gives this
> example
> >> somewhere).  It is because of the simple fact that jnAni knows that for
> the
> >> ‘sarvaM’ (jagat) brahman is the only abhinna nimittopadAna kAraNa and
> >> brahman as kAraNa is in effect (kaarya) but in kAraNa there are no
> effects
> >> (kaarya), matsthAni sarvabhutaani …….na cha matsthAni bhUtAni says
> lord.  I
> >> am in the kaarya is sarvAtmabhAva and in me there is no transactions or
> >> effects is the Atmaikatva or tureeya jnana where duality is denied
> without
> >> any trace ( neha nAnAsti kiMchana).  Such complete denial of
> transactions
> >> of the avasthAtraya is what is implied in tureeya / Atmaikatva darshana.
> >> IMO, this is nirvishesha svarUpa jnana and this is also sarvAtmabhAva,
> how
> >> so!!??  Because though there seems transactions in sarvAtmabhAva (like
> >> ‘sarvaM’ (prameya) and I am (pramAtru) is the ONE in ALL etc.)  there is
> >> really no transaction at all in this paramArtha jnAni.  His jnana is
> intact
> >> in both Atmaikatva jnana and sarvAtmabhAva.  It is because of that
> reason
> >> bhAshyakAra says sarvAtmabhAva is mOksha because in that bhAva there is
> >> absolute absence of kriya, kAraka and phalam.  Shruti itself says that
> he
> >> who understands himself as brahman will become all this  ya evaM veda
> ahaM
> >> brahmAsmeeti sa idam sarvaM bhavati.  If that is not the case then we
> are
> >> forced to accept tureeya or the Atmaikatva darshana is possible only in
> a
> >> particular state called tureeyaavasthA ( A forth state of Atman and as
> per
> >> some, it can be achieved ONLY in the state of nirvikalpa samAdhi since
> in
> >> this state only mind is inert and there is complete absence of external
> >> world !!)  and sarvaatmabhAva which is a different state in which sarvaM
> >> implies ‘difference’ and is Atman or me implies abedha hence it is
> >> something inferior to tureeya state!!  As you know, this conclusion is
> >>  untenable in shankara’s Advaita vedAnta.  In short, mOkshAvastha is not
> >> vyavahaara shUnya but it is vyavahAra badhita Atma svarUpa jnana.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> >>
> >> bhaskar
> >>
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