[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Re: Does the mukta/jnani see the world?

[Sudhanshu Shekhar]

Namaste V Subramanian ji.

The translation is incorrect. Sridhari TIkA explains correctly. The verse
talks about dream within dream. A man is fast asleep and sees entire world
within himself in dream-2. The dream-2 breaks within dream-1 and he finds
himself in one corner (within dream-1).

Such are the three states of waking etc which are only-mAyA. Therefore, one
should always remember the drashTA thereof which is beyond.

Regards.

On Fri, 22 Dec 2023, 15:31 V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l, <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> The Bhagavatam says:  6.16,53,54:
>
> यथा सुषुप्त: पुरुषो विश्वं पश्यति चात्मनि ।
> आत्मानमेकदेशस्थं मन्यते स्वप्न उत्थित: ॥ ५३ ॥
> एवं जागरणादीनि जीवस्थानानि चात्मन: ।
> *मायामात्राणि *विज्ञाय तद् द्रष्टारं परं स्मरेत् ॥ ५४ ॥
>
> When a person is in deep sleep, he dreams and sees in himself many other
> objects, such as great mountains and rivers or perhaps even the entire
> universe, although they are far away. Sometimes when one awakens from a
> dream he sees that he is in a human form, lying in his bed in one place.
> Then he sees himself, in terms of various conditions, as belonging to a
> particular nationality, family and so on. All the conditions of deep sleep,
> dreaming and wakefulness are but energies of the Supreme Personality of
> Godhead. One should always remember the original creator of these
> conditions, the Supreme Lord, who is unaffected by them.
>
> The term 'MAyAmAtrAni'  rings with the Gaudapada Karika, Agama PrakaraNa:
>
> प्रपञ्चो यदि विद्येत निवर्तेत न संशयः । मायामात्रमिदं द्वैतमद्वैतं
> परमार्थतः ॥ १७ ॥
>
> This is Karika for Shankara and Shruti for Madhwa.
>
> The Vaithathya prakarana of the Karika makes an observation that the waking
> and dream are different on these grounds:
>
> अन्तःस्थानात्तु भेदानां तस्माज्जागरिते स्मृतम् ।
> यथा तत्र तथा स्वप्ने संवृतत्वेन भिद्यते ॥ ४ ॥
>
> जाग्रद्दृश्यानां भावानां वैतथ्यमिति प्रतिज्ञा । दृश्यत्वादिति हेतुः ।
> स्वप्नदृश्यभाववदिति दृष्टान्तः । यथा तत्र स्वप्ने दृश्यानां भावानां
> वैतथ्यम् , तथा जागरितेऽपि दृश्यत्वमविशिष्टमिति हेतूपनयः । तस्माज्जागरितेऽपि
> वैतथ्यं स्मृतमिति निगमनम् । अन्तःस्थानात्संवृतत्वेन च स्वप्नदृश्यानां
> भावानां जाग्रद्दृश्येभ्यो भेदः । दृश्यत्वमसत्यत्वं चाविशिष्टमुभयत्र ॥
> The sameness of the dream and waking is stated with an anumAna prayoga. The
> only difference is that: The objects of the dream are 'inside' the
> dreamer's body and also compressed. However, the sameness is on the ground
> of both the dream and waking being drshya and asatya.
>
> स्वप्नजागरिते स्थाने ह्येकमाहुर्मनीषिणः ।
> भेदानां हि समत्वेन प्रसिद्धेनैव हेतुना ॥ ५ ॥
> प्रसिद्धेनैव भेदानां ग्राह्यत्वेन हेतुना समत्वेन
> स्वप्नजागरितस्थानयोरेकत्वमाहुर्विवेकिन इति पूर्वप्रमाणसिद्धस्यैव फलम् ॥
>
> That they are observed, objectified, is common to both dream and waking.
>
> One can read the next few verses for a kind of an argument on the above
> concept.
>
> The
>
> regards
> subbu
>
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 3:12 PM 'Bhaskar YR' via advaitin <
> advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> > praNAms
> >
> > Hare Krishna
> >
> >
> >
> > svapnatvaM ( for example trayee svapnaaH) is to convey the sAdrushyam not
> > to strike the absolute similarity.  Svapna being internal and confined to
> > individual and waking world being wide and outside but the sAdrushyaM is
> > both are seen and changing, bhAshyakAra clarifies somewhere in kArikA
> > bhAshya itself.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> >
> > bhaskar
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